2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

[GTripp0012]

Philly is married to Vick financially through next season, but I think at the time they did the extension it was obvious that no amount of year one regression could make Vick look like a non-option at QB for 2012. I really don't think Philly was caught off guard by the injury that cost him the last three games.

Going forward, quarterback has to be one of their largest organizational weaknesses, and I think their chances of addressing it in 2012 go up substancially if they divorce themselves from Reid. And to some degree, I think Reid's chances of returning are roughly based on whether or not they believe Michael Vick can win the super bowl on his current contract. If they are just going to use him as a veteran stopgap in a new scheme, there's no reason to let Reid pick the next QB, even though he's good at it.

The Redskins of course aren't paying attention, but they should be. Just replace Michael Vick with Rex Grossman, Andy Reid with Mike Shanahan, and good with not good, and I think that paragraph could be re-written for the Redskins and be very relevant.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Philly is married to Vick financially through next season, but I think at the time they did the extension it was obvious that no amount of year one regression could make Vick look like a non-option at QB for 2012. I really don't think Philly was caught off guard by the injury that cost him the last three games.

Going forward, quarterback has to be one of their largest organizational weaknesses, and I think their chances of addressing it in 2012 go up substancially if they divorce themselves from Reid. And to some degree, I think Reid's chances of returning are roughly based on whether or not they believe Michael Vick can win the super bowl on his current contract. If they are just going to use him as a veteran stopgap in a new scheme, there's no reason to let Reid pick the next QB, even though he's good at it.

The Redskins of course aren't paying attention, but they should be. Just replace Michael Vick with Rex Grossman, Andy Reid with Mike Shanahan, and good with not good, and I think that paragraph could be re-written for the Redskins and be very relevant.

Bigger difference is the Redskins are just taking Rex out for Starbucks, they didn't put a ring on it

Anyhow, let's try to keep this thread about QB Prospects, not the Eagles

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bigger difference is the Redskins are just taking Rex out for Starbucks, they didn't put a ring on it

Anyhow, let's try to keep this thread about QB Prospects, not the Eagles

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bigger difference is the Redskins are just taking Rex out for Starbucks, they didn't put a ring on it

Anyhow, let's try to keep this thread about QB Prospects, not the Eagles

Well, yeah. There's that.

I think that one question that hasn't been brought up yet in this thread is which prospects in the upcoming draft would actually be better options than Rex Grossman as rookies. I think a big part of the philosophy that the Redskins will compete in 2012 is that we'll draft a guy who sends Grossman to the bench and Beck to retirement, and then we'll improve by 3 or 4 wins based that alone.

But if the people who can do that are limited to being Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley, it would seem unlikely that the Redskins would be able to significantly improve on Grossman next year. Unless of course they go the free agent route instead/in addition.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bigger difference is the Redskins are just taking Rex out for Starbucks, they didn't put a ring on it

Anyhow, let's try to keep this thread about QB Prospects, not the Eagles

Not to be a jerk but is the thread "ONLY" about which college QB's the Redskins should take or is it a thread to discuss everything about the college kids possibly declaring and possibly which teams will take them? Because I'm sure several of us probably mentioned that the Colts would more then likely take Luck....which means we ALL have done exactly the same thing.

My point is another poster asked would the Eagles be looking for a QB. To me it's relevant. Is it not? I mean if they end up with a worse record then the Skins and pick prior to the Skins, then we fans should be taking that into account also in regards to whether we will even get the QB we would like the Skins to take. We certainly are taking the Colts and Luck into account, Miami into account, why are we not allowed to take the Eagles into account?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to be a jerk but is the thread "ONLY" about which college QB's the Redskins should take or is it a thread to discuss everything about the college kids possibly declaring and possibly which teams will take them? Because I'm sure several of us probably mentioned that the Colts would more then likely take Luck....which means we ALL have done exactly the same thing.

My point is another poster asked would the Eagles be looking for a QB. To me it's relevant. Is it not? I mean if they end up with a worse record then the Skins and pick prior to the Skins, then we fans should be taking that into account also in regards to whether we will even get the QB we would like the Skins to take. We certainly are taking the Colts and Luck into account, Miami into account, why are we not allowed to take the Eagles into account?

Not intended to answer your question that's for the mods I presume but in regard to the Iggles it seems highly relevent because they're in our division. Going into the season I never, ever would have thought the iggles would possibly pick before us and I still don't really think it will happen but certainly the possibility is a big deal.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Not intended to answer your question that's for the mods I presume but in regard to the Iggles it seems highly relevent because they're in our division. Going into the season I never, ever would have thought the iggles would possibly pick before us and I still don't really think it will happen but certainly the possibility is a big deal.

There's big questions with them, but it appears to me they could be on the list for a QB as well. If the HC is fired, Vick never healthy, Young sucks, I see them needing a reliable QB and if one of those big names is sitting out there when it comes their pick... I think they pick a QB.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

There's big questions with them, but it appears to me they could be on the list for a QB as well. If the HC is fired, Vick never healthy, Young sucks, I see them needing a reliable QB and if one of those big names is sitting out there when it comes their pick... I think they pick a QB.

I can see this happening but it's still hard to imagine they won't win another game or two. We play last week of the season though...could be crucial draft order situation!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to be a jerk but is the thread "ONLY" about which college QB's the Redskins should take or is it a thread to discuss everything about the college kids possibly declaring and possibly which teams will take them? Because I'm sure several of us probably mentioned that the Colts would more then likely take Luck....which means we ALL have done exactly the same thing.

My point is another poster asked would the Eagles be looking for a QB. To me it's relevant. Is it not? I mean if they end up with a worse record then the Skins and pick prior to the Skins, then we fans should be taking that into account also in regards to whether we will even get the QB we would like the Skins to take. We certainly are taking the Colts and Luck into account, Miami into account, why are we not allowed to take the Eagles into account?

The discussion was turning into the Eagles' overall philosophy and whether Reid should stay or be fired, and what's the difference between the Redskins with Shanahan and the Eagles with Reid and so on. Just trying to keep it focused on QB talk only

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Going forward, quarterback has to be one of their largest organizational weaknesses, and I think their chances of addressing it in 2012 go up substancially if they divorce themselves from Reid. And to some degree, I think Reid's chances of returning are roughly based on whether or not they believe Michael Vick can win the super bowl on his current contract. If they are just going to use him as a veteran stopgap in a new scheme, there's no reason to let Reid pick the next QB, even though he's good at it.

I hope Philly gets rid of Reid and Morningwhig goes with him.
Removing the offensive staff from Philly will set that team back for awhile and all but erase them from contention.

But, I don't think Philly is that dumb.
The perception is that Vick has regressed, but I don't think its evident with his play.
I think the team around him is worse on the OL at WR and Vick is suffering as consequent.
But, a metric I like to use for judging QB play is ESPN TQBR and they have Vick top 10 or near it and I think that is an accurate assessment of how he has played this season.

[NC_Skins]

This kid is smart, and looks like a very good QB. I'd be happy to see him drafted.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This kid is smart, and looks like a very good QB. I'd be happy to see him drafted.

The more I hear about him, the more I like him.

13 TD's this season v. 12 Incompletes. Don't know if that was current or sometime mid-season but it's freaking phenomenal. I would be VERY happy with this guy.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

The more I hear about him, the more I like him.

13 TD's this season v. 12 Incompletes. Don't know if that was current or sometime mid-season but it's freaking phenomenal. I would be VERY happy with this guy.

RG3 is probably my second choice after Luck. I think the kid has a very bright future in the NFL. And the 13 td's v. 12 incompletions thing was very early in the season, probably 3 games in I think, but either way it's very impressive.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I hope Philly gets rid of Reid and Morningwhig goes with him.
Removing the offensive staff from Philly will set that team back for awhile and all but erase them from contention.

But, I don't think Philly is that dumb.
The perception is that Vick has regressed, but I don't think its evident with his play.
I think the team around him is worse on the OL at WR and Vick is suffering as consequent.
But, a metric I like to use for judging QB play is ESPN TQBR and they have Vick top 10 or near it and I think that is an accurate assessment of how he has played this season.

No, Vick hasn't regressed. He performed fine this year. It was just that last year his interception rate was fluky low and this year it is fluky high. The real Vick is somewhere in the middle. The WRs have been total trash this year. Maclin can't stay on the field and Jackson, at times, is a stiff. Riley Cooper is not a pro football player.

But at the same time, the idea that Vick is a franchise QB ignores that he can't play more than 12 games a season because of his durability. And their backup situation was better last year. I think Kafka will be ready for an extended role next year, they still need to address the position.