Around the NFL Week 14

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait, so Shanahan is a douche for switching an aging 4-3 defense to a young 3-4 defense as part of an overall rebuilding process...yet Kubiak isn't one for switching a young 4-3 to a 3-4?

I knew you'd have somethin to say about this
Texans had a last place defense when they switched,we didn't
Plus we were paying a guy huge money to anchor a 4-3 defense
The move made absolutely no sense,defend it all you want


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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I knew you'd have somethin to say about this
Texans had a last place defense when they switched,we didn't
Plus we were paying a guy huge money to anchor a 4-3 defense
The move made absolutely no sense,defend it all you want


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Sometimes to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs, or whatever the expression is.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs, or whatever the expression is.

I can understand that philosophy sometimes,but sometimes the cook sucks

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I knew you'd have somethin to say about this
Texans had a last place defense when they switched,we didn't
Plus we were paying a guy huge money to anchor a 4-3 defense
The move made absolutely no sense,defend it all you want


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Our "top 5" defense was a illusion. We never got any sacks or turnovers and had this "bend but not break" mindset. Our defense also could never hold a team in the last 2 minutes when it really counted. This was a paper defense, nothing more.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Our "top 5" defense was a illusion. We never got any sacks or turnovers and had this "bend but not break" mindset. Our defense also could never hold a team in the last 2 minutes when it really counted. This was a paper defense, nothing more.

We had 40 sacks in 2009.29 last yr and 34 so far this yr so your sacks argument is an illusion.We had 17 takeaways in 09,27 last yr and 16 so far this yr.So we had more takeaways last yr,WHOOPEE,at least thats something

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

We had 40 sacks in 2009.29 last yr and 34 so far this yr so your sacks argument is an illusion.We had 17 takeaways in 09,27 last yr and 16 so far this yr.So we had more takeaways last yr,WHOOPEE,at least thats something

You are using ONE years stats to back up your point???

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You are using ONE years stats to back up your point???

Seriously,your making fun of me when I actually backed up my argument with facts while you did not?
Plus that was TWO AND THREE QAURTERS,NOT ONE YEAR.And of course I only went back to 2009,why would I go any further? That was the yr before Shanahan got here and switched the defense

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Seriously,your making fun of me when I actually backed up my argument with facts while you did not?
Plus that was TWO AND THREE QAURTERS,NOT ONE YEAR.And of course I only went back to 2009,why would I go any further? That was the yr before Shanahan got here and switched the defense

The are three more games to be played.

We added talent(RAK and AH), hence the spike in sacks to 40. We add more talent(i.e Jenkins) and play the better players(Riley), we can only further improve.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Seriously,your making fun of me when I actually backed up my argument with facts while you did not?
Plus that was TWO AND THREE QAURTERS,NOT ONE YEAR.And of course I only went back to 2009,why would I go any further? That was the yr before Shanahan got here and switched the defense

They had one decent year in sacks and you cherry picked it. The 4-3 and the great Greg Williams didn't do squat in terms of changing games. We were never this great defense that fans claim. Bend but not break doesn't make you a good defense.


4-3 Defense
2005 - 20th in NFL in sacks
2006 - 32nd in NFL in sacks
2007 - 16th in NFL in sacks
2008 - 28th in NFL in sacks
2009 - 8th in NFL in sacks

3-4 Defense Change
2010 - 25th in NFL in sacks
2011- 11th in NFL in sacks



4-3 Defense
2005- 14th in NFL in INTs
2006- 32nd in NFL in INTs
2007- 23rd in NFL in INTs
2008- 17th in NFL in INTs
2009- 26th in NFL in INTs

3-4 Defense Change
2010 - 19th in NFL in INTs
2011 - 25th in NFL in INTs

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They had one decent year in sacks and you cherry picked it. The 4-3 and the great Greg Williams didn't do squat in terms of changing games. We were never this great defense that fans claim. Bend but not break doesn't make you a good defense.


4-3 Defense
2005 - 20th in NFL in sacks
2006 - 32nd in NFL in sacks
2007 - 16th in NFL in sacks
2008 - 28th in NFL in sacks
2009 - 8th in NFL in sacks

3-4 Defense Change
2010 - 25th in NFL in sacks
2011- 11th in NFL in sacks



4-3 Defense
2005- 14th in NFL in INTs
2006- 32nd in NFL in INTs
2007- 23rd in NFL in INTs
2008- 17th in NFL in INTs
2009- 26th in NFL in INTs

3-4 Defense Change
2010 - 19th in NFL in INTs
2011 - 25th in NFL in INTs

I wasnt cherry picking,I just went to the yr before shanahan took over.I dont want to get in a pissing match with you over this,I want to get along with everybody,were just not going to agree on this.The defense improved on interceptions,so what? The defense is not any better,if anything its worse.Untill we get a nosetackle than can anchor that line its probably gonna stay that way.For the life of me I can not understand how anyone thinks it was a smart move to switch to the 3-4 without the personel to run it.Good coaches run the schemes that fit their players,not the other way around.
I think if you asked experts around the league you would get a unanamous descision that shanahan is a good coach but terrible at being a GM.To me this was the first of his many bad descisions as GM.{yes I know bruce Allen is the GM but we all know its Mike calling the shots}
Remember the yr Clevelands defense sucked so bad then in the offseason shanahan signed almost their whole defensive line? He cannot be trusted with full control,his ego is bigger then Dallas and I dont see him improving.The team will probably get better despite him with our high draft order

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I knew you'd have somethin to say about this
Texans had a last place defense when they switched,we didn't
Plus we were paying a guy huge money to anchor a 4-3 defense
The move made absolutely no sense,defend it all you want


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Our performance in 2009 was slightly worse than in 2008, with said 40 million +incentives man being the "anchor". If said anchor was not with the D, then maybe our 2009 performance gets reduced from slightly worse to "much worse".

And we had NO SOLB going into 2010 either.

Not to mention Blache had a scheme that was basically multiple variants of prevent combined with predictable and easy-to-read blitzes.