North Korea's Kim Jong II Pushing Up Daisies

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Jong-un is 28. While, historically, many dictators have held the reigns of power at a young age, I foresee no genius in Jong-un that would allow him to remain in power. I expect that more experienced party members will use him/undermine him as they attempt to increase their own power. Within a year or two, N. Korea will be a very unstable place. An unstable place with nuclear weapons.

The only reason we will miss Jong-il is that he was the evil we knew. In a few years, N. Korea will be the evil we don't know.

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Ultimately, it's China's call. If Jong-un can win their support and demonstrate he can keep the Korean peninsula stable, he will remain in power. If not, expect China to replace him. The other main player, apparently, is the N. Korean Army, which was the basis of Jong-il's power. If he can satisfy the Army that they will remain preeminent and satisfy China that he will maintain power. If not, someone will replace him who can satisfy those two needs.

What would be bad is if Jong-un ends up being incompetent, is disposed of, and the Army and the Chinese each attempt to install their own person in power.

I am betting Jong-un is gone by 2015. Whether or not a civil war erupts is the question. And, if it does, what role, if any, will NK's burgeoning nuclear arsenal play (Would a crazy general lob a nuke at China? S. Korea? Japan?).

Scary. Just glad there is not a land bridge between here and there.

That's what I'm sayin'. For all of his madness and flaws, Jong-il did not start a major war.

Jong-un, on the other hand, may do so. He may be driven to aggression to consolidate his power within NK or to show he has the cojones to rule or both. And given that he is certainly a spoiled brat who was raised by a madman, we have no reason to think that he will be any more stable or savvy than his dad. And he likely will be less so.

A hostile crazy spoiled brat with nukes. Yay!

[mlmpetert]

Great thoughts JoeRedskin and Locus.

If i was S. Korean, or anyone close by, i would be very worried about what the future is going to hold for the region.

Also i watched this documentary a few months back.

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It was very good and you come away with a lot of different thoughts. I personally believe the only way the country could adopt a less totalitarianism type of government is from within, so I think unless we see something happen in the next few years a major change will remain unlikely until Kim Il Sung dies and the reins are again passed on. I guess he could do something real crazy down the road for no apparent reason, but id say that’s highly unlikely.

One of the thoughts I got from the documentary is that the vast majority of people in N Korea are happy the way things are. Not happy in the Western sense but happy nonetheless. It is definitely partly because they don’t know better, but I think the idea of being completely segregated from the rest of the world and self-reliant is a very empowering virtue in their society.

The documentary also made me remember that many (probably the vast majority) of human civilizations throughout history have lived under a similar totalitarianism/authoritarianism style of government controlled by a few rulers/emperors/gods. Societies consisting of unsuppressed people are a relatively new phenomenon and you could probably make the case that humans are meant to be or have evolved to be ruled.

Also last night I remembered my signature:

In my humble opinion I honestly believe that Danny Snyder is not as terrible of a person as Kim Jong il.

Its now retired. Heres to hoping that Danny will be more terrible than Kim Il Sung (because that means Sung wont be that bad of a guy, right?).

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's what I'm sayin'. For all of his madness and flaws, Jong-il did not start a major war.

What a beautiful sentiment, Lotus.

Could you also enlighten us as to all the good things Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot did next, please?

/sarc