2012 redskins

[REDSKINS4ever]

Matt Flynn may very well be the best QB entering free agency after the season. I see a big upside with his game, but I also see a bit of a downside with his game also. I think he could be a decent starter in the NFL though. As long as he's better than Grossman or Beck, I don't care about his downside. But I think depending on how much Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan want to give up for a young QB in the draft(RG3/Luck), the Redskins could go the free agency route and attain a passer.

[SFREDSKIN]

Redskins must look to the draft for a QB - The Insider - The Washington Post

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Redskins must look to the draft for a QB - The Insider - The Washington Post

Ironical indeed...Jason Campbell is likely the top (available) FA QB since Oakland committed to Palmer. Ohhhh Mike and Kyle you guys make it so much fun!!

[diehard]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ironical indeed...Jason Campbell is likely the top (available) FA QB since Oakland committed to Palmer. Ohhhh Mike and Kyle you guys make it so much fun!!

If I recall, Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by diehard

If I recall, Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.

I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.

This is why I'm starting to believe we're a snakebitten franchise. I don't know maybe some disgrutled native Americans put a hex on the team due to their disdian for our name. Anyways, just seems that players perform better once they leave D.C which shouldn't be the case. Rogers and A. Carter are just the latest examples, no pro-bowlers this year but the 2 we though we could do without end up making the pro-bowl. Hell, if Rogers would of played for us like the did for the 49ers this year we would of been a playoff bound team last year.

As for J.C, since when did he learn to complete the deep ball? I can't count how many time he missed open recievers deep, however he's made some amazing deep throws to Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford in Oakland. Eventhough I wasn't a JC fan in his defense we never really built around him. Didn't get him a left tackle, didn't get him a solid core of recievers, all he had was a running back and a TE, which would rationalize why he turned into Captain checkdown when he played for us.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

This is why I'm starting to believe we're a snakebitten franchise. I don't know maybe some disgrutled native Americans put a hex on the team due to their disdian for our name. Anyways, just seems that players perform better once they leave D.C which shouldn't be the case. Rogers and A. Carter are just the latest examples, no pro-bowlers this year but the 2 we though we could do without end up making the pro-bowl. Hell, if Rogers would of played for us like the did for the 49ers this year we would of been a playoff bound team last year.

As for J.C, since when did he learn to complete the deep ball? I can't count how many time he missed open recievers deep, however he's made some amazing deep throws to Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford in Oakland. Eventhough I wasn't a JC fan in his defense we never really built around him. Didn't get him a left tackle, didn't get him a solid core of recievers, all he had was a running back and a TE, which would rationalize why he turned into Captain checkdown when he played for us.

carter was great here until we moved him to OLB (just like he was a great DE in SF before they went 3-4 and tried to move him to OLB). rogers was always good here, he just couldn't catch so people thought he was awful, which just hasn't ever been true. I guess it's the same way people think hall is great because he catches a pick for every 20 deep balls he gives up.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.

The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.

[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.

Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehard

If I recall, Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.

Not sure what you mean since MS traded him. How did he just want him to compete and not for him to leave?

[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Matt Flynn may very well be the best QB entering free agency after the season. I see a big upside with his game, but I also see a bit of a downside with his game also. I think he could be a decent starter in the NFL though. As long as he's better than Grossman or Beck, I don't care about his downside. But I think depending on how much Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan want to give up for a young QB in the draft(RG3/Luck), the Redskins could go the free agency route and attain a passer.

I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.

[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by redskin29633

I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.

By the way, Redskins owe Beck $1,000,000 for next season, but I contend that the team should eat the money and send him packing. They found out he can't play, so I see no reason to keep him. Treat him just like Torain; we owed him just under $600,000 for 2012, but sent him packing anyway. I would characterize both releases as good moves.