Mike Shanahan

[Hog1]

AS MK72 pointed out
I think it is a fair expectation to see measurable.....positive change by third year done on a five year deal. I would not advocate immediate dismissal if year three is disappointing as well. I would, however think it is also fair....AND EXPECTED to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with ownership to see if it appears the current course is still the correct and worthy of pursuit. If it is found the B&G's return to glory does not lie on this path, another direction needs to be .....at least considered.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Hog1

AS MK72 pointed out
I think it is a fair expectation to see measurable.....positive change by third year done on a five year deal. I would not advocate immediate dismissal if year three is disappointing as well. I would, however think it is also fair....AND EXPECTED to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with ownership to see if it appears the current course is still the correct and worthy of pursuit. If it is found the B&G's return to glory does not lie on this path, another direction needs to be .....at least considered.

Here is my problem with this scenario:

That "Come to Jesus meeting" with ownership would mean that Mike Shanahan and Danny Boy would be sitting down to talk football and the current direction that the Redskins are taking. No offense here, but Danny Boy has shown pretty conclusively that he had no flipping clue as to the right direction to take a football program.

Even the most strident of Mike Shanahan's critics would have to concede that he would be more likely of "good football thinking" than Danny Boy if you woke Shanahan up at 4:00 AM after he had been out pounding tequila shots for 8 hours the night before.

I would not be confident that Danny Boy could make a decision as to the "best direction" for the team based simply on the way he has made football related decisions for the last decade or so.

I have been saying here for months that Mike Shanahan will be and should be the head coach of the Washington Redskins next year - - unless of course Mike Shanahan decides he would rather pack it in and buy a ranch and raise armadillos...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Here is my problem with this scenario:

That "Come to Jesus meeting" with ownership would mean that Mike Shanahan and Danny Boy would be sitting down to talk football and the current direction that the Redskins are taking. No offense here, but Danny Boy has shown pretty conclusively that he had no flipping clue as to the right direction to take a football program.

Even the most strident of Mike Shanahan's critics would have to concede that he would be more likely of "good football thinking" than Danny Boy if you woke Shanahan up at 4:00 AM after he had been out pounding tequila shots for 8 hours the night before.

I would not be confident that Danny Boy could make a decision as to the "best direction" for the team based simply on the way he has made football related decisions for the last decade or so.

I have been saying here for months that Mike Shanahan will be and should be the head coach of the Washington Redskins next year - - unless of course Mike Shanahan decides he would rather pack it in and buy a ranch and raise armadillos...

I do not dispute that any thinking Skins fan would have...at least some reservations about Danny doing ....The Jerra' for the B&G. Be that as it may, He is the CIC at Skinsville and would have to be in that meeting (No doubt with with Bruce as well), and for now I will..trust the correct decisions are made.
In my opinion, Mike should be allowed to fulfill his contract AND THEN see if he has done enough for a...redo. I doubt anyone can say with any conviction that he has not made many positive changes.

[NC_Skins]

I hate the general fan. I think the ironic part is most are exactly like Dan Snyder yet they bash him for doing the same things they would do.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I hate the general fan. I think the ironic part is most are exactly like Dan Snyder yet they bash him for doing the same things they would do.

True words, I at times am guilty of this and then I catch myself. The quick fix is never the answer, we are building a TEAM/FRANCHISE.

[Bushead]

I've always been saying I am giving Shanny four complete years without a complaint.

One of the complaints I've seen said (not in this thread necessarily) is that we've been rebuilding for years and people are tired of it. They want to win. Hey, I'm right there with you, but what was the last coach that truly tried to "rebuild?"

I remember during Spurrier years he traded two draft picks for some D Lineman that played for one year. Or the Jason Taylor for a 2nd. The last time the redskins drafted a player in each round (1-7) with the exception of this year was 1997. (*there were some years they had a 1,2,3, and two 5ths, so there could have been some trades that happened). Most draft years was one pick within the first 3 rounds and a few 6ths and 7ths. Or how about the trade for Brandon Lloyd for 2 season (a 3rd and a 4th.)

And what about all the big free agents, who came and went because they no longer fit the system? These players no longer work under M.Lewis's system so they have to be cut, and then G. Williams needs different players, than Greg Blache, then Haslett.

It seems to me there has always been this immense pressure to win now in Washington, regardless of where the pressure is coming from. We see coaches go out and get big names, only to be canned when they don't perform well, leaving the predecessor with big names they don't need. But, the pressure is still there, so they trade picks and sign their big FAs and cut the guys they no longer need... It's a very very frustrating cycle.

So, for once, I want to give a guy a chance. Build some young players. Draft. Don't feel pressure to bring in every big free agent signing since you have to win now. Get players you think fit the system and have the right attitude.

Of course, you can point to Shan trading for McNabb and Brown. But, even with those trades, he didn't give away the house. They were able to orchestrate great trades for Hightower, Gaffney and Carriker while still having 12 picks for this years draft. The redskins have 8 draft picks coming up in April (with all three in the first three rounds no less).

And we wonder why the team lacked talent and was old before? I started watchign skins football in 8th grade, when Marty was in his first year, so all i've known is the constant turn over, bad trades, big free agent signings that every coach made (including Gibbs).

So with Shan, my assestment awaits until the end of his fourth year. By that time, there is no excuses for the cupboards being bare and everyone he brought in was his idea. By that time, our core players will have been in the system for 3-4 years, and there shouldn't be any excuses to why this team can't perform. Any talk before than is silly.

Like someone said in this post, we get mad when Synder fires and causes the turmoil and turnover and signs the big free agents that makes it all a spectacle. Then, fans want Snyder to do the same exact thing when the skins aren't wining.

We finally have a coach who is rebuilding, getting great talent via the draft and smart FA acquisitions. Not a we are ready to compete now. Not a one player away. A true, through and through rebuild. Let's not sabotage it.

[skinsfaninok]

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[SolidSnake84]

I hope Shanahan is retained. I see improvement in the team. We need a good QB and a few more talented offensive players.

I've mentioned this before on here, but i once watched a special on NFL network, it was looking at the NFL's most dominate teams throughout history, and somewhere in there the general consensus was that it took on average between 5 and 7 years for a team to be consistantly dominant. What i'm saying is look at teams like Steelers, Patriots, Eagles, etc... It took those teams many bad years before a consistant winning product was built.

Our biggest problem has been no continuity at the Head Coach position, and the fact that up until last season, we never had someone other than Snyder making all the decisions for the team. Gibbs has been the only credible coach we ever had since Snyder has owned us.

Shanahan needs easily 5 years to turn things around. I think after his fourth year, he should be re-signed. This team for years upon years ignored the draft, bought only big name, old veterans. Some of our trades set the franchise back several years with each mistake. Give Mike S. the team he needs to build this team his way. He's not old for a coach, he could easily be with us 10 more seasons and just imagine if we can be winning throughout those 10 years.

[Hog1]

^^^^^^^^^httr....

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I have read alot of the posts in this thread. I want to give you my opion and it will be quick and fairly short.

This franchise needs to keep Mike S. and Bruse Allen for this coming year and for the forseeable future. I would be in no hurry to get rid of either piece of this current regime, and to be honest the best move in my opinion is keep these gentlemen in place till they have the team they want.

I do not believe that 2012 is any kind of make or break season and what we need here in DC is consistency in the coaching staff and management. There may not be a QB that can be aquired this offseason to be the face of the franchise and I hope that they do not reach for a piece ala DMac. Patience is the name of the game, this team was in dissaray and I am sorry but we did not have the right team of players in place. Yes we may have had a star here or there but not a team. Building a team takes time and is not done in one off season. Especially when one does not have a QB. That is the key to any perennial winner in the NFL. There is also no way that I would support this team sending away multiple 1st round picks for A Luck. Yeah he MAY be a great prospect, but that is what he is a prospect. Ryan Leaf was a prospect, Heath Schuler was a prospect just to name a few of the highly touted QB NFL prospects that have been utter failures.

This talk about getting rid of MS or comparing his win loss record with JZ is ridiculous and just bothers the hell out of me. It is easy to compare W-L records but this does not speak to the whole story of coaching in the NFL.

I honestly want MS to finish his full contract in DC.

[Hog1]

Even if he was doing a lousy job and we cut his ass loose next season, with our track record for coaches....who the hell would take the job? He Must finish his contract and (be given full opportunity for success) by that time, I believe this team will be nicely competitive.....or better.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Even if he was doing a lousy job and we cut his ass loose next season, with our track record for coaches....who the hell would take the job? He Must finish his contract and (be given full opportunity for success) by that time, I believe this team will be nicely competitive.....or better.

I can understand this.

It was dumb to hire Mike Shanahan without interviewing other coaches who might have had a clearer vision for this franchise that wouldn't have been made some dumb statement about needing five years or something. Snyder is a sucker. That's pretty proven at this point. But he may need to give Shanny 3 out of the 5 years he promised him just to show other candidates that he'll be more patient with you than you really deserve him to be.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can understand this.

It was dumb to hire Mike Shanahan without interviewing other coaches who might have had a clearer vision for this franchise that wouldn't have been made some dumb statement about needing five years or something. Snyder is a sucker. That's pretty proven at this point. But he may need to give Shanny 3 out of the 5 years he promised him just to show other candidates that he'll be more patient with you than you really deserve him to be.

Snyder comes off as someone who will believe anything and know little about football obviously. I'm not a fan of his but I do admire his will to win,he's a fan that got the chance of a lifetime but sometimes I feel like we can't win with Dan as owner

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[skins89moss]

Typical Redskin fans fire the coach after 2 or 3 years and change it all over again. Hello thats why we suck so much because of the this disfunctional thinking. Most of you have not been a Redskins fan when we were a Super Bowl franchise so you dont know what its like to even be a fan of a Champion. So all you arm chair GM's and Coaches just sit back and drink your cheap beer and leave the coaching to the real coaches. Shanny will get us back to the winning ways and you can not expect him to be a miracle worker in just 2 years with this shit show we had here for 10 years. HTTR

[irish]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Typical Redskin fans fire the coach after 2 or 3 years and change it all over again. Hello thats why we suck so much because of the this disfunctional thinking. Most of you have not been a Redskins fan when we were a Super Bowl franchise so you dont know what its like to even be a fan of a Champion. So all you arm chair GM's and Coaches just sit back and drink your cheap beer and leave the coaching to the real coaches. Shanny will get us back to the winning ways and you can not expect him to be a miracle worker in just 2 years with this shit show we had here for 10 years. HTTR

I couldnt agree more. Redskins fans have become conditioned to a revolving door at head coach because instant success isnt achieved. This organization has been in the process of decay and decline for over a decade so the fix is going to take some time. I actually think the process is going to take longer than MS's current contract. Hopefully he stays or someone who does it his way (KS maybe) takes his place so that there can be some kind of continuity that this organization so desperately needs.