Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

[mredskins]

I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.

Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.

I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.

That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization.

We are all arm chair QB's here.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game[He was]. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.

But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.

That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization. We are all arm chair QB's here.

No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.


No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.

I picked Bradford over the other two becasue I have seen him be successful in the actual NFL, until RG III and Luck take a snap in a actual NFL game you don't know what you have in them.

Actual it does, you can have a opinion it is just not educated. If you walked into a scout's office in the NFL and said your opinion they probably laugh and send you on your way. Their opinions are educated ours are not.

It is fun to say what the Skins should do and not do, evaluate talent etc... but when the day is done none of us are experts. Unfortunately some of us on here a bit delusional to that fact, not singling you out 30Gut just saying.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I picked Bradford over the other two becasue I
have seen him be successful in the actual NFL, until RG III and Luck take a snap in a actual NFL game you don't know what you have in them.

The above scenario choosing between the 3 was your scenario not mine.

In your previous post you cited RGIII's limited reps (under center) as a negative.
But whether you dismiss it or not the QB that you chose as the best in your scenario wasn't under center much as a college QB.

Actual it does, you can have a opinion it is just not educated.

You do understand the difference between an educated opinion and a professional opinion right?

I don't need to give my resume for people to know my opinions are educated.
People can read my opinions and decide for themselves.

If you walked into a scout's office in the NFL and said your opinion they probably laugh and send you on your way.

Maybe so but maybe they would judge my opinion based on its content rather than an assumption about my background.

Their opinions are educated ours are not

Their opinions are considered professional.
But the notion that only professional scouts can have educated opinions on football prospects is absurd.
Coaches on all levels have educated opinions on player evaluations.

It is fun to say what the Skins should do and not do, evaluate talent etc... but when the day is done none of us are experts. Unfortunately some of us on here a bit delusional to that fact, not singling you out 30Gut just saying.

If you're uncomfortable being challenged on an opinion or statement it doesn't make me or anyone else out to be an expert.
I never give my thoughts as anything other then my opinion.
But, I will support my opinions and thoughts and challenge other peoples opinions and thoughts that I don't understand or question.

That doesn't make me delusional, i'm just a dude that's passionate about football.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The above scenario choosing between the 3 was your scenario not mine.

In your previous post you cited RGIII limited reps as a negative.
But whether you dismiss it or not the QB that you chose as the best in your scenario wasn't under center much as a college QB.


You do understand the difference between an educated opinion and a professional opinion right?

I don't need to give my resume for people to know my opinions are educated.
People can read my opinions and decide for themselves.

Maybe so but maybe they would judge my opinion based on its content rather than an assumption about my background.

Their opinions are considered professional.
But the notion that only professional scouts can have educated opinions on football prospects is absurd.
Coaches on all levels have educated opinions on player evaluations.

If you're uncomfortable being challenged on an opinion or statement it doesn't make me or anyone else out to be an expert.
I never give my thoughts as anything other then my opinion.
But, I will support my opinions and thoughts and challenge other peoples opinions and thoughts that I don't understand or question.

That doesn't make me delusional, i'm just a dude that's passionate about football.

All this and your avatar is John Beck.

Appreciate your feedback.

"To be a professional you must be educated in your profession." ~seems to make sense.