Mike Shanahan

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You don't sound grumpy, you sound passionate. I like that.

The argument itself is dangerous, and I can try to explain why. Lets say Mike Shanahan posted 6-10 seasons every year throughout his contract, until December 2014. If you cut and pasted this argument into December 2014, it would be no more or less fallacious than it is at this very moment. Everything you wrote right here will still be true in three years. Granted: you might not be as inclined to write this after five bad years instead of two, but that's the big point here.

Two years is an eternity in the NFL. I don't know whether you just haven't been following all of Mike Shanahan's gaffes at Redskins Park, or whether you just don't think they're really a big deal. What's indisputable is that they have limited the ability of the team to get much better.

What we need to analyze as fans is whether these mistakes are likely to stop. If they don't stop, the team is unlikely to get any better in 2012, its unlikely to get better in 2013, and there's no amount of money you can put into a coaching contract to make the whole thing work.

Furthermore, better coaches are out there. Now, whether those highly desired coaches are interested in taking this job is another issue. You could argue back in 2008, the best candidates were not interested (though they did interview). And that in 2008, someone like Mike Shanahan (or Chan Gailey) was the best that the Redskins could have done.

That, to me, is a very logical argument for keeping Mike Shanahan: he's a proven head coach and its too likely that we'll downgrade our coaching staff if we make another switch. Why would anyone want to take this job if the only guy the owner gave more than two years happened to be named Joe Gibbs (who in defense of Snyder, also had the best season in the Snyder era in his second season).

But when you compare and contrast Gibbs (who also qualifies under all the criteria you defended Shanahan with) with Mike Shanahan just by what they accomplished in two years (and Zorn left more pro talent behind than Spurrier, but I'll ignore that for now), Gibbs already had the Redskins winning. Shanahan didn't change everything.

I mean, you just have to go back six years to see why the job Shanahan has been doing isn't acceptable. It's not like we weren't here before. It took one bad season to clean up the 2003 mess. The 2009 mess wasn't nearly that deep, and if anything, the Redskins have gone backwards since then.

Hmm mmm. In two full seasons Mike has failed (epically) to secure a QB who can lead a team to the playoffs. His best chance, ironically, was probably with the QB he inherited from Zorn.

We all want to see a competitive Skins team next year. Some realize it will require an outlier type year from Mike in his talent evaluation and coaching.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Hmm mmm. In two full seasons Mike has failed (epically) to secure a QB who can lead a team to the playoffs. His best chance, ironically, was probably with the QB he inherited from Zorn.

We all want to see a competitive Skins team next year. Some realize it will require an outlier type year from Mike in his talent evaluation and coaching.

with all due respect, JC wasnt leading anybody to shit. JC was adequate to run an offense on life support, thats it. in 5 years of JC it took 5 amazing weeks of todd collins to lead this team to the playoffs . . . once. whooppity doo.

we are lucky to have mike shanahan.

[Landry44]

I think Shanahan is building the team the right which is going to take sometime. He missed on both McNabb and Brown. Other than that the guy has been pretty good for the most part acquiring talent. Our team is a lot younger and have more depth than we had prior to his arrival. We don't have the wins to show for it but this team is definitely improved.