What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.

And this is exactly why we should stay away from Flynn. As I've said, let's go draft our own guy and start him day one, like Cincy and Carolina did.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by chrisl13

You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?

We would have the option of trading either Flynn or Griffin. If Flynn came in and played very well, we would then have options. One option would be to keep Flynn and trade Griffin. Of course, if MS thought highly enough of Griffin after one year, he would have the option of trading Flynn. Having two QB's gives us a better shot to find one good one and gives us more options down the road.

Assuming we like Flynn, I'm all for it.

[NC_Skins]

Truthfully, with as stupid as some owners/GMs are, it wouldn't surprise me to see anything. Teams are so QB desperate, they probably will pay premium money. Hell, they paid $50 mil guaranteed to Bradford who'd never took a snap in the NFL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Truthfully, with as stupid as some owners/GMs are, it wouldn't surprise me to see anything. Teams are so QB desperate, they probably will pay premium money. Hell, they paid $50 mil guaranteed to Bradford who'd never took a snap in the NFL.

But that was under the old CBA and he was a QB that was the first pick of the draft. If it was under the new rules Bradford wouldn't have received that kind of money. He would've probably gotten 20 mil guaranteed, like Newton did. But I do agree with you, teams are hard up for top QB play and someone's going to overpay for Flynn's services, just like Az overpaid for Kolb.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But that was under the old CBA and he was a QB that was the first pick of the draft. If it was under the new rules Bradford wouldn't have received that kind of money. He would've probably gotten 20 mil guaranteed, like Newton did. But I do agree with you, teams are hard up for top QB play and someone's going to overpay for Flynn's services, just like Az overpaid for Kolb.

Yeah, just look at what Charlie Whitehurst fetched draft-pick wise.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Yeah, just look at what Charlie Whitehurst fetched draft-pick wise.

Hey hey hey. Leave Charlie out of this.

[CultBrennan59]

I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR...

And others are missing another key fact about him.. He has 9 TD and 7 turnovers (5 INT, 2 fumbles lost). If you take away his 'magical' performance he has 3 TD and 4 turnovers (3 INT, 1 FL) so there is significant question as to how special of a QB he is, getting to the right guy and making the right decision. Not to say that he isn't but there have been tons of QB who have played one great game and it be an aberration. He really hasn't proven a thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And others are missing another key fact about him.. He has 9 TD and 7 turnovers (5 INT, 2 fumbles lost). If you take away his 'magical' performance he has 3 TD and 4 turnovers (3 INT, 1 FL) so there is significant question as to how special of a QB he is, getting to the right guy and making the right decision. Not to say that he isn't but there have been tons of QB who have played one great game and it be an aberration. He really hasn't proven a thing.

I'll second this. And I'll also second that post above about backup qb's getting massive paydays after teams spending exorbitant amounts just to get them. Just say no to Flynn.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And others are missing another key fact about him.. He has 9 TD and 7 turnovers (5 INT, 2 fumbles lost). If you take away his 'magical' performance he has 3 TD and 4 turnovers (3 INT, 1 FL) so there is significant question as to how special of a QB he is, getting to the right guy and making the right decision. Not to say that he isn't but there have been tons of QB who have played one great game and it be an aberration. He really hasn't proven a thing.

Agreed, see Kevin Kolb and all he accomplished this year after all the hoopla about him last year.

[CultBrennan59]

For every Kevin Kolb, there is a Jake Delhomme.(He did have some good years before he started throwing picks 5 times a game)

For every Kurt Warner there is a Don Strock.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

For every Kevin Kolb, there is a Jake Delhomme.(He did have some good years before he started throwing picks 5 times a game)

For every Kurt Warner there is a Don Strock.

Or Matt Schaub, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks, Mark Bulger, Mark Brunell, etc. All viable starters who were back ups elsewhere first. Can't generalize.

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Or Matt Schaub, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks, Mark Bulger, Mark Brunell, etc. All viable starters who were back ups elsewhere first. Can't generalize.

At this point, after the lackluster QB play weve had the last 10-15 years, can we afford to be content with a "viable starter"? With flynn, there is less risk of bust than say RGIII, but there is little promise of him entering elite status. I want a top 5-10 Quarterback, and will do what is needed to get that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

At this point, after the lackluster QB play weve had the last 10-15 years, can we afford to be content with a "viable starter"? With flynn, there is less risk of bust than say RGIII, but there is little promise of him entering elite status. I want a top 5-10 Quarterback, and will do what is needed to get that.

I simply think that this is actually the other way around. Flynn isn't as accomplished as RGIII and is therefore a riskier bet to pan out.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

At this point, after the lackluster QB play weve had the last 10-15 years, can we afford to be content with a "viable starter"? With flynn, there is less risk of bust than say RGIII, but there is little promise of him entering elite status. I want a top 5-10 Quarterback, and will do what is needed to get that.

Yeah, look at what being content with a viable starter has gotten the Ravens, 49ers, and even the Giants to a degree (Eli is so mediocre people around here actually made serious arguments that he wasn't as good as Jason Campbell).

We really need the future Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees. Can't win any more with a team that plays solid Defense, runs the ball well and passes pretty good, but maybe not great. It's all about throwing it 60 times a game.

Even if Rex threw for modest numbers like 22TDs and only 10INTs, we would have only won maybe 1 or 2 more games. We really need a 30 plus TD guy, and of course RGIII is going to step right in and do that in year 1. Because it happens all the time.