RGIII declares for NFL draft

[30gut]

Originally Posted by irish

RGIII is another version of Michael Vick (a runner who is an ok passer) and that doesnt win Super Bowls. Sure RGIII threw for a bunch of yards but in college WRs are open by yards and in the pros its inches so college numbers are often misleading. I'm just not sure about RGIII's accuracy.

Plenty of different types of QB have won superbowls, to include 'athletic' or 'scrambling' QBs; just like many different types of QBs failed to win superbowls to include pocket passers.

Second, Mike Vick has always been a gifted passer, his decision making and knowledge of the passing game was horrendous.
He's just now become a better decision maker.

When you refer to RGIII as a version of Vick, you're paying RGIII a huge compliment. (remember: Vick was the unquestioned No.1 pick in his draft class)

I agree college numbers are misleading, and all college QBs will have to make the adjustment passing into smaller windows in the NFL.

What about RGIII's accuracy aren't you sure about?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Plenty of different types of QB have won superbowls, to include 'athletic' or 'scrambling' QBs; just like many different types of QBs failed to win superbowls to include pocket passers.

Second, Mike Vick has always been a gifted passer, his decision making and knowledge of the passing game was horrendous.
He's just now become a better decision maker.

When you refer to RGIII as a version of Vick, you're paying RGIII a huge compliment. (remember: Vick was the unquestioned No.1 pick in his draft class)

I agree college numbers are misleading, and all college QBs will have to make the adjustment passing into smaller windows in the NFL.

What about RGIII's accuracy aren't you sure about?

I agree Vick is a gifted athlete, but what good does his talent do if he is on the bench every other game for half the season for breaking something from all the vicious hits he takes?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I agree Vick is a gifted athlete, but what good does his talent do if he is on the bench every other game for half the season for breaking something from all the vicious hits he takes?

Do you always ask loaded, rhetorical questions?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Do you always ask loaded, rhetorical questions?

Not always no. Am I wrong though? His still of play is great as long as he doesn't get lit up and break something, which has been pretty often since he's been on the Eagles.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not always no. Am I wrong though? His still of play is great as long as he doesn't get lit up and break something, which has been pretty often since he's been on the Eagles.

The point your trying to make about Griff assumes too much.

It assumes that Griff is gonna play the exact same way as Vick.

It also assumes that all Vick's injuries have been as a result of his running as opposed to standing in the pocket like this year against ATL getting hit by his own OL Herramans (concussion) or in the pocket against the Cards (ribs).

It also dismisses the notion that Vick could just be injury prone which is completely apart from his playing style ala Matt Schaub who only has two 16 games seasons under his belt, must be all that scrambling he does?

I get what you're trying to say though.
Griff needs to be smarter about not taking unneccesary hits and about how, when and where to run in the NFL.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The point your trying to make about Griff assumes too much.

It assumes that Griff is gonna play the exact same way as Vick.

It also assumes that all Vick's injuries have been as a result of his running as opposed to standing in the pocket like this year against ATL getting hit by his own OL Herramans (concussion) or in the pocket against the Cards (ribs).

It also dismisses the notion that Vick could just be injury prone which is completely apart from his playing style ala Matt Schaub who only has two 16 games seasons under his belt, must be all that scrambling he does?

I get what you're trying to say though.
Griff needs to be smarter about not taking unneccesary hits and about how, when and where to run in the NFL.

Yeah it is a bit of a stretch, but there are parallels there to be made.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Plenty of different types of QB have won superbowls, to include 'athletic' or 'scrambling' QBs; just like many different types of QBs failed to win superbowls to include pocket passers.

Second, Mike Vick has always been a gifted passer, his decision making and knowledge of the passing game was horrendous.
He's just now become a better decision maker.

When you refer to RGIII as a version of Vick, you're paying RGIII a huge compliment. (remember: Vick was the unquestioned No.1 pick in his draft class)

I agree college numbers are misleading, and all college QBs will have to make the adjustment passing into smaller windows in the NFL.

What about RGIII's accuracy aren't you sure about?

Honest question without an edge: Do you think that RGIII has a windup in his mechanics which may compromise his effectiveness in the NFL?

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Honest question without an edge: Do you think that RGIII has a windup in his mechanics which may compromise his effectiveness in the NFL?

All Day Long...

[SFREDSKIN]

Barkley screwed this draft for us by going back to school, I wish he would change his mind

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Honest question without an edge: Do you think that RGIII has a windup in his mechanics which may compromise his effectiveness in the NFL?

Nah, I don't think so.
I think he's done a good job of tightening up his mechanics from last year (2010)
His motion has improved from the carriage of the ball to reducing the windup or specifically to my eye: he would drop his throwing arm down before starting his setting/cocking to throw which creates wasted motion.

I still think Griffin has a 'bigger' then ideal throwing motion.(I also think Luck's is bigger then ideal.)
Assuming we can agree that QBs like: Vick, Rodgers, Peyton have 'ideal' throwing motions because their compact, tight with little to no wasted movement.
However both prospects can release the ball quickly and are consistent and repeatable in their mechanics.
Griff can also vary his throwing platform and arm angle and still deliver an accurate pass.
His throwing motion isn't an issue for me.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Nah, I don't think so.
I think he's done a good job of tightening up his mechanics from last year (2010)
His motion has improved from the carriage of the ball to reducing the windup or specifically to my eye: he would drop his throwing arm down before starting his setting/cocking to throw which creates wasted motion.

I still think Griffin has a 'bigger' then ideal throwing motion.(I also think Luck's is bigger then ideal.)
Assuming we can agree that QBs like: Vick, Rodgers, Peyton have 'ideal' throwing motions because their compact, tight with little to no wasted movement.
However both prospects can release the ball quickly and are consistent and repeatable in their mechanics.
Griff can also vary his throwing platform and arm angle and still deliver an accurate pass.
His throwing motion isn't an issue for me.

Fair enough. Although I have more concerns about this than you do, I'm not certain that my concerns are merited in the end. He's not Tebowesque or anything like that.