Mike Shanahan

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bringing in his son to coach alongside him was stupid. Kyle was mostly unproven and two seasons of piss-poor offense here substantiate it. Also the fact Houstan improved after Kyle left. Now we're stuck w/ team Shanny.

Mike is hardly the first coach/GM here to trade down and acquire more picks.

If McNabb is the only personnel mistake you see...I don't know why I'm responding to you. Nevermind.

Houston Texans Offensive Rankings
2006 - 28th
2007 - 14th
2008 - 3rd (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2009 - 4th (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2010 - 3rd
2011 - 12th

Kyle was so unproved he took an offense into the top 5 in offense after having been 28th and 14th the previous two seasons. And I don't see where they've gotten substantially better since he's left do you?

Name me the last coach/GM that traded down in the draft for the Redskins?
I can tell you it hasn't been this century.

I was pointing out the most obvious one instead of listing everything. I see you failed to respond to the positive player personnel moves he has made that I talked about.

I think it's great to have good debate and discussion on this board between two people with opposing view points, but there's no need to be an asshat.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Houston Texans Offensive Rankings
2006 - 28th
2007 - 14th
2008 - 3rd (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2009 - 4th (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2010 - 3rd
2011 - 12th

Kyle was so unproved he took an offense into the top 5 in offense after having been 28th and 14th the previous two seasons. And I don't see where they've gotten substantially better since he's left do you?

Name me the last coach/GM that traded down in the draft for the Redskins?
I can tell you it hasn't been this century.

I was pointing out the most obvious one instead of listing everything. I see you failed to respond to the positive player personnel moves he has made that I talked about.

I think it's great to have good debate and discussion on this board between two people with opposing view points, but there's no need to be an asshat.

Houston didn't miss Kyle one iota until Schaub and Andre Johnson went down...kinda obvious on that one bud.

Cerrato traded back when we took Kelly, Davis and whatshisname. So what? Trading back isn't exactly the mark of genius.

2011 was a good draft year. So what? We went 5-11 and still have the worst QB stable in football.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Houston didn't miss Kyle one iota until Schaub and Andre Johnson went down...kinda obvious on that one bud.

Cerrato traded back when we took Kelly, Davis and whatshisname. So what? Trading back isn't exactly the mark of genius.

2011 was a good draft year. So what? We went 5-11 and still have the worst QB stable in football.

Well Schaub did miss 5 games in 2008

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Houston didn't miss Kyle one iota until Schaub and Andre Johnson went down...kinda obvious on that one bud.

Cerrato traded back when we took Kelly, Davis and whatshisname. So what? Trading back isn't exactly the mark of genius.

2011 was a good draft year. So what? We went 5-11 and still have the worst QB stable in football.

You said Houston got better after Kyle left. And I don't see where you have substantiated that claim anywhere. Now you are saying they didn't miss him until key players went down. Doesn't make much sense.

I never said trading back made you a good team and giving picks up was always bad. What I was trying to show was that during Cerrato's reign of terror we were near the bottom of the league in number of picks because of his propensity to trade away picks for old vets who were hyped but didn't deliver. What did that give us? An old, old team with not much of a future and no picks left to reload with.

2011 was a good draft year. One of the only ones in quiet some time. When you have as many problems as Cerrato left you aren't going to fix everything in one season and turn it around to a playoff team. I believe we do have one of the worst QB situations right now but that is most likely because the staff did not like the people they evaluated last year enough to go get them and saw other positions where they could get the best value to fill much needed holes. Rome wasn't built in a day. You are too near-sighted. Look at the big picture.