What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one. If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.

Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.

sorry but I agree with Tripp, Rex and Beck are so bad that anyone would have been better.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.

If you are trying to make a point that Rex and Beck aren't the answer, then you are wasting your time. I already know this. I've said this all along. However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.


I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If you are trying to make a point that Rex and Beck aren't the answer, then you are wasting your time. I already know this. I've said this all along. However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.


I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.

Dude, every QB in the league was a potential option if the trade or $$ parameters were correct.

Shanny could have been more aggressive finding a QB but wasn't.

Hopefully that will make him VERY aggressive in finding a QB this spring.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Dude, every QB in the league was a potential option if the trade or $$ parameters were correct.

Shanny could have been more aggressive finding a QB but wasn't.

Hopefully that will make him VERY aggressive in finding a QB this spring.

Did you just forget about that whole lockout or what?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Did you just forget about that whole lockout or what?

Did you forget that every team in the league managed to add many new pieces through trades and FA despite the lockout?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Did you forget that every team in the league managed to add many new pieces despite the lockout?

At QB? Really? Which ones?

Remember, training camp opened a few days after the lockout lifted.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

At QB? Really? Which ones?

Every team that drafted/signed or traded for a QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.

Backup Rex Grossman was not the answer, either: His -19.4% passing DVOA was far worse than McNabb, who put up a 0.1% DVOA before being benched.

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I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.

Degrees of upgrade not withstanding, I think you see that were options.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Degrees of upgrade not withstanding, I think you see that were options.

Yes. If the argument is "are there options" then the answer is always yes there are options. However, when you factor in the costs and weigh the benefit of said options, they really become non-options at that point.

I would have had no problem with them bringing in Hasselbeck, but not for $21 million. Very likely he would have duplicated the same stats he had his last year in Seattle as well. Titans have more on offense than we do for sure.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yes. If the argument is "are there options" then the answer is always yes there are options. However, when you factor in the costs and weigh the benefit of said options, they really become non-options at that point.

All that bluster for this?
Which was what I was saying in the first place about rationalization?

Wouldn't have been easier just to agree 2 pages ago?

J/K

HTTR

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.

Which is defensible, but the fact that the Redskins really didn't even consider other options was delusional.

Understand that factually, Mike Shanahan has done both of these things in two seasons:

1) Dealt Jason Campbell for a fourth round pick and acquired Donovan McNabb for a second round pick and a fourth round pick.

OR gave up draft pick value because his evaluation of the situation here was that the QB situation wasn't adequate.

2) Traded Donovan McNabb for a sixth round pick w/a conditional sixth.

OR traded away a player he was admitting a mistake on because he evaluated his QB depth as MORE than adequate.

In the winter of 2010, he decided that the Redskins didn't have a starting caliber quarterback on their roster, and made a trade for one. In the summer of 2011, he decided that the Redskins had totally solved their QB situation, at least in the short term, if he could just get that McNabb guy out.

No matter where you believe the mistake was made on McNabb, he could not have been correct on the quality of his existing roster in both 2010 and 2011. The ONLY thing he changed was that he acquired McNabb. Nothing else changed from the roster he inherited. Either that, or his standards for what a QB were coming over from Denver dropped significantly when he got here.

Grossman was a backup QB in 2010, and was a starting QB in 2011? Really? No one could believe that could they? No, what changed re: McNabb was Beck. Beck went from a roster filler to a desired veteran. Grossman was still Grossman the whole time. Beck was the acquisition that made McNabb expendable.

John Beck was judged to be a better option at quarterback than any other option. It wasn't that the options weren't there, it was that the Redskins preferred Beck.

Grossman being named starter (first or second time, w/e) was the second admission of error at the same position in the Shanahan era. Again, not a wrong decision given what Beck showed, but it was more or less a two-strike foul tip.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If you are trying to make a point that Rex and Beck aren't the answer, then you are wasting your time. I already know this. I've said this all along. However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.


I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.

B.S, McNabb put up better numbers and he beat better opponents. Rogers, Vick, Romo, Cutler, etc. Rex has never beat any QB of that caliber besides Eli Manning. Plus McNabb threw for more yards, and less INT's. We would of been a playoff bound team with McNabb if the defense gave him a little more support, plus I can't count all of the dropped balls and missed field goal opportunities.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

B.S, McNabb put up better numbers and he beat better opponents. Rogers, Vick, Romo, Cutler, etc. Rex has never beat any QB of that caliber besides Eli Manning. Plus McNabb threw for more yards, and less INT's. We would of been a playoff bound team with McNabb if the defense gave him a little more support, plus I can't count all of the dropped balls and missed field goal opportunities.

LOL! Please put the crack pipe down. McNabb is finished. That's why Philadelphia was willing to give him up to a division opponent.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! Please put the crack pipe down. McNabb is finished. That's why Philadelphia was willing to give him up to a division opponent.

your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.