Mike Shanahan

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

I do not have blind faith. My point is that there is a fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. Had a couple plays gone thier way they could have 7 or 8 wins but that would not mean they are any better or further along then they are now. They are better becasue I see a bunch of young players holding thier own and looking like they might be part of the future. This is the 1st time in at least 15 years that the Redskins actually tried to rebuild the right way...this is what I wanted so i am going to remain patient with the process. Once the QB is in place the results will start to show in the win collumn. Many of those few plays each week that decide winning and losing are made by the QB so until we get one it's going to look like we are not improving to the casual observer.

Bolded point: You need to define these parameters, or we're discussing a point based on blind faith.

Underlined point: That happens to be true of the 2009 team that Shanahan inherited as well. Luck didn't just become a significant part of football when Mike Shanahan started stringing together 10 loss seasons.

Here's the thing: we're right back to where we were at the start of the Mike Shanahan era. We don't have a lot of 25 and under talent compared to other teams, but we more or less replaced what we lost over the last two years, having done so through the draft. We're still a losing team with limited proven talent to build a foundation on. Stability is nice, but it doesn't do anything to ensure that 2012 won't be a repeat of 2010. Better talent evaluation and game preparedness does.

Shanahan is getting a second chance to get it right and turn the roster into a winner, but the fundamentals are identical to the roster he took over. The biggest difference is that he has to deal with critical expiring contracts that he didn't have in 2010.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bolded point: You need to define these parameters, or we're discussing a point based on blind faith.

Underlined point: That happens to be true of the 2009 team that Shanahan inherited as well. Luck didn't just become a significant part of football when Mike Shanahan started stringing together 10 loss seasons.

Here's the thing: we're right back to where we were at the start of the Mike Shanahan era. We don't have a lot of 25 and under talent compared to other teams, but we more or less replaced what we lost over the last two years, having done so through the draft. We're still a losing team with limited proven talent to build a foundation on. Stability is nice, but it doesn't do anything to ensure that 2012 won't be a repeat of 2010. Better talent evaluation and game preparedness does.

Shanahan is getting a second chance to get it right and turn the roster into a winner, but the fundamentals are identical to the roster he took over. The biggest difference is that he has to deal with critical expiring contracts that he didn't have in 2010.

It is evident that they are trying to build through the draft as opposed to big name free agents as they have done in the past. They now have 30 mil in cap space instead of the old meathod of gaurenteeing the contracts of old players just to get under the cap. This football team is run 1000 times better then it was 2 years ago. As far as the talent...I don't know what you see but i see a bunch of young players that have been added through the draft and free agency the past couple years. I don't have age stats in front of me but there is no significant money tied up in any players over 30 years old which used to be the norm. There has been a total and complete change in the way this football team operates. But as i have said it is not going to show up in the win/loss collumn until they get a quality NFL QB. But if you just want to hang your hat on the record and tell me there's no progress, then be my guest. One question though...How many games would the Pats or Giants have won this year without Brady & Manning? In my opinion they both probably would have looked a lot like the Redskins...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bolded point: You need to define these parameters, or we're discussing a point based on blind faith.

Underlined point: That happens to be true of the 2009 team that Shanahan inherited as well. Luck didn't just become a significant part of football when Mike Shanahan started stringing together 10 loss seasons.

Here's the thing: we're right back to where we were at the start of the Mike Shanahan era. We don't have a lot of 25 and under talent compared to other teams, but we more or less replaced what we lost over the last two years, having done so through the draft. We're still a losing team with limited proven talent to build a foundation on. Stability is nice, but it doesn't do anything to ensure that 2012 won't be a repeat of 2010. Better talent evaluation and game preparedness does.

Shanahan is getting a second chance to get it right and turn the roster into a winner, but the fundamentals are identical to the roster he took over. The biggest difference is that he has to deal with critical expiring contracts that he didn't have in 2010.

Man, I know you study and offer educated quality opinions often on this site but I think you are way off base with this evaluation. This is talk radio fodder/reactionary sports columnist level stuff. You honestly think the roster is in the same place as it was 2 years ago?

I'd task you with looking at the Roster transition thread and still coming to the same conclusion. 52 players between 2009 and 2010 final rosters are no longer in the league. 35 of them from the final Zorn roster. So you are saying that 35 of our players have no other place in the NFL? As I said in another thread, the roster remake is about 30% done but you still have to field a 53 man roster. We are much better off, long term, than we were 24 months ago.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Man, I know you study and offer educated quality opinions often on this site but I think you are way off base with this evaluation. This is talk radio fodder/reactionary sports columnist level stuff. You honestly think the roster is in the same place as it was 2 years ago?

I'd task you with looking at the Roster transition thread and still coming to the same conclusion. 52 players between 2009 and 2010 final rosters are no longer in the league. 35 of them from the final Zorn roster. So you are saying that 35 of our players have no other place in the NFL? As I said in another thread, the roster remake is about 30% done but you still have to field a 53 man roster. We are much better off, long term, than we were 24 months ago.

In fairness to Gtripp, the question is not whether "35 of our [current] players have no other place in the NFL". Rather, it is, "In two years, will 35 players on our current roster, be out of the league entirely?" - i.e. Has MS/BA created a roster that will have the future depth that Zorn's final roster lacked?

As do you, I think they have and believe that the current all-inclusive roster contains at least 20-25 and maybe as many as 30-35 players that will
be here on opening day in 2013.