Roster transition in the Shanny era

[diehard]

Mike Williams was a effin joke. A lot of fans liked that dude. Great guy, great story but, average player.

[htownskinfan]

GTripp0012 makes some great points and everybody else debating him make some good points too.I tend to lean on the side of Tripp.
As Ive said before,ask any Denver fan,ask any knowledgable football expert,they all agree on one thing,great coach-TERRIBLE GM TALENT EVALUATORFrom his terrible time management and mishandling of instant replay calls along with other factors I dont even consider him that good of a coach anymore

[SmootSmack]

He's had some gaffes for sure, but that comes with being in the game so long. But is he really terrible? Broncos had a lot of 4th-7th round picks that had/have successful careers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's had some gaffes for sure, but that comes with being in the game so long. But is he really terrible? Broncos had a lot of 4th-7th round picks that had/have successful careers.

I compared his track record to other teams over the time period (1995-2008, because I could not find which year he received full draft autonomy from the Broncos) and this is very true for the positions of RB, WR, TE, G, and C. Shanahan likely outdrafted all of his competition in the late rounds at those positions. And we've seen glimpses of that ability here, with guys like Helu and Royster.

Defensively and in terms of finding quarterbacks though, the Broncos basically had no success beyond the first three rounds. Elvis Dumerville is probably "the" success story there, though he ranks behind Nate Wayne in AV.

Shanahan in the 4th-7th, career with Denver.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's had some gaffes for sure, but that comes with being in the game so long. But is he really terrible? Broncos had a lot of 4th-7th round picks that had/have successful careers.

I have absolutely, or rather exactly, no idea what this means? Are you saying Mike was a lousy sideline manager (clock, timeouts, challenges, offensive tempo, scheme, and general leadership) over the last two seasons because he has so much experience?

Or are we still (trying) to debate whether Mike has any business whatsoever acting as a "co-general manager" and play a significant role in personnel?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I have absolutely, or rather exactly, no idea what this means? Are you saying Mike was a lousy sideline manager (clock, timeouts, challenges, offensive tempo, scheme, and general leadership) over the last two seasons because he has so much experience?

Or are we still (trying) to debate whether Mike has any business whatsoever acting as a "co-general manager" and play a significant role in personnel?

He's talking about his draft record.

[#56fanatic]

I believe Shanny and Allen are definitely getting this ship moving in the right direction. I think they wanted to try and compete the first year because of the "supposed" talent they had on the team and to see if they would respond to Shanny and really compete. Bringing Donovan in wasn't a bad move from the stand point of where Donovan has been, how he had played over his career, and what they thought he brought to the table as far as leadership and instant credit in the locker room. That experiment turned out to be a bad one.
But to take what he had in 2010, and reshape this roster with a GREAT draft and some pinpoint free agency additions, you have believe that this team will be competing for the division and NFC championship in the next two years. They are building young talent, some quality depth and looking at the draft from last season they really seem to be aquiring good depth.
The more I look at last years draft, the QB situation we have was probably the best we could have done. Shanny couldn't make any deals to move up to get the QB's he wanted. For whatever the reason he saw things in Blane Gabbert that he didn't want any part of. And by all early indications, he was right by not drafting him. It remains to be seen how much we are going to be willing to part with to move up to get Luck or RGIII. Personally, I wouldn't give up a ton because the draft will be stocked with a few good QB's again next year. Plus, there are quality QB's that I believe we can get later in the 1st or 2nd round this year.

[celts32]

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

/looks around to find the person that said Shanahan can't draft.

Must be on a different board.

Anyway, if Shanahan had the ability to translate his drafts into on-field results, no one would think this.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

Good read.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by celts32

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

Is it not amazing how many Arm Chair Coaches will lay that nonsense down....To Funny.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by celts32

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

good read and opened my eyes a bit,Although I would like it to go back his whole tenure and not just 4 yrs.I have a good friend that lives in Denver who always complained about him as a GM and have seen several NFL experts say the same,maybe its just a myth thats been perpetuated thru the years and Ive fell victim to it.I need to see all the evidence,somebody do the research for me

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by celts32

Thom Loverro: For Shanahan, no rough draft | Thom Loverro | NFL | Washington Examiner

Shanny not being able to draft is a complete myth that people who don't like Shanny cling to...

I've always known the guy could draft and is one of the best in the league at doing so. A couple years back, this dude over on ES broke down picks between Shanahan and Bellicheck over the past decade. Shanahan came away with a better record in terms of landing success. However, when you hear people talk, Bellicheck is the master at personnel while Shanahan makes a bad GM.

Just like some of the guys up here. Bitching about Mike Williams, Willie Parker, Larry Johnson, etc... What they don't do is stop and think about the people available at the time with the market being restricted the way it was. Everybody was hemmed up on the restricted free agent tags assigned by their teams in the uncapped year that they had nothing really available. People want him to turn something out of nothing. Become the modern day Jesus. The guy can only do so much and of course he's going to make personnel mistakes, they all do.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've always known the guy could draft and is one of the best in the league at doing so. A couple years back, this dude over on ES broke down picks between Shanahan and Bellicheck over the past decade. Shanahan came away with a better record in terms of landing success. However, when you hear people talk, Bellicheck is the master at personnel while Shanahan makes a bad GM.

Just like some of the guys up here. Bitching about Mike Williams, Willie Parker, Larry Johnson, etc... What they don't do is stop and think about the people available at the time with the market being restricted the way it was. Everybody was hemmed up on the restricted free agent tags assigned by their teams in the uncapped year that they had nothing really available. People want him to turn something out of nothing. Become the modern day Jesus. The guy can only do so much and of course he's going to make personnel mistakes, they all do.

Yep let's try and let the cake bake for once

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've always known the guy could draft and is one of the best in the league at doing so. A couple years back, this dude over on ES broke down picks between Shanahan and Bellicheck over the past decade. Shanahan came away with a better record in terms of landing success. However, when you hear people talk, Bellicheck is the master at personnel while Shanahan makes a bad GM.

Just like some of the guys up here. Bitching about Mike Williams, Willie Parker, Larry Johnson, etc... What they don't do is stop and think about the people available at the time with the market being restricted the way it was. Everybody was hemmed up on the restricted free agent tags assigned by their teams in the uncapped year that they had nothing really available. People want him to turn something out of nothing. Become the modern day Jesus. The guy can only do so much and of course he's going to make personnel mistakes, they all do.

There's a difference between saying that a guy is competent in the draft and saying he's one of the best drafters in the league. In Shanahan's case, only one is true.

If we want to get technical, Vinny Cerrato was a pretty good drafter as well. Couldn't build a team without trading picks for frivolous parts, but I have no real issue with his draft work.