The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, et al. maybe reason enough to take the gamble? These guys that have gone in the first round have made their offenses prolific now or most likely in the near future (Cam). I think taking the gamble is better than what we have been doing the last decade in neglecting the QB position and waiting until the next year. You see that hasn't panned out too well.

Rodgers got to wait under one of the best QB's and learn how to play. Stafford not so much, he was thrown into the fire. I wouldn't say Bradford has made his team 10x better nor would I say that about Locker.

I'll say this I think when a coach drafts a QB like Newton and expects him to play from the start he has two options: either change the players mechanics and technique or adjust your offense to the players best qualities. I think we saw that in Newton and Tebow. Andy Dalton is another and he was not a top 3 pick.

Personally I don't think it will take a ton to move up to 3rd or 4th but it all depends on if there is a bidding war say if Miami is trying to move up also or the Browns themselves. Clearly the Browns wouldn't have to give up as much to move up just 2 spots. I think if we could move up above the Browns and not toss all our future draft picks to get RGIII then lets do it. But I just think its going to be too much that the greedy teams above us are going to ask for. I'd much rather just take a QB that has not been banged up, knows the system, can make all the throws, and has somewhat proven he can play vs. an unknown.

For me:
Flynn- in FA.
1st round- trade back for more picks. take Tannehill or whoever.
2nd round- take a WR.
2nd round- trade back for more picks.

start picking up OL, FS, CB, LB.... either a late round QB or a UDFA QB to add to the mix.

[Big C]

can anyone explain why so many people on here want kirk cousins? id like to hear what they like about him that would make it seem like he could be our starting qb down the road, because i just dont see it.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Big C

can anyone explain why so many people on here want kirk cousins? id like to hear what they like about him that would make it seem like he could be our starting qb down the road, because i just dont see it.

Cousins wasn't a bad QB in college. He's not RG3, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, but he was fairly consistent. When most people view Cousins as a quarterback, they see him as a developmental prospect. In his senior year at Michigan State, he throw completed 267 of of 419 for 331 with a completion percentage of 63.7 with 25 TDs 10 INTs ending with a 145.1 QB rating.

His numbers in college actually wasn't bad at all. He's exactly what Colt McCoy was in his final year at Texas. But Cousins would be anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th round selection.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Cousins wasn't a bad QB in college. He's not RG3, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, but he was fairly consistent. When most people view Cousins as a quarterback, they see him as a developmental prospect. In his senior year at Michigan State, he throw completed 267 of of 419 for 331 with a completion percentage of 63.7 with 25 TDs 10 INTs ending with a 145.1 QB rating.

His numbers in college actually wasn't bad at all. He's exactly what Colt McCoy was in his final year at Texas. But Cousins would be anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th round selection.

He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.

The thing I like most about Cousins is that he plays his best in crunch time. He led a beautiful drive with time expiring in their bowl game and that wasn't the only time he did that as a Senior.

He has good size, a good arm, and he's athletic enough to play in the NFL. I think he would be a very good pick in the 3rd round.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Big C

can anyone explain why so many people on here want kirk cousins? id like to hear what they like about him that would make it seem like he could be our starting qb down the road, because i just dont see it.

Me neither. He seems like a career backup to me.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Big C

can anyone explain why so many people on here want kirk cousins? id like to hear what they like about him that would make it seem like he could be our starting qb down the road, because i just dont see it.

he got my attention in their bowl game, but just as soon as I was thinking that he looked pretty good, he threw an unexplicable pick in double coverage.

Overall, he seems like the kind of guy that Shanny would pick, believing that he can mold him into a solid qb. He has all the attributes on paper, might be good in a few years if he could hold a clipboard for a while. I'd be happy if we got him in the 4th or 5th after getting our franchise qb in the 1st. Either way, we really need 2 qbs in this draft.

[Meks]

Best player at 6.. if its not a qb grab foles in the 2nd/3rd

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I still say:

Rams get: #6 overall pick in 2012, 2013 1st round pick, 2012 and 2013 3rd pick and 2013 5th round pick. If we have to trade.

That's not worth moving just 4 spots I doubt we'd have to give that much

#Hail to the Redskins

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

That's not worth moving just 4 spots I doubt we'd have to give that much

#Hail to the Redskins

That's pretty much what it would amount to really, but I'm not sure Shanahan will pay it. He wasn't going to overpay for Bradford so not sure he'll do it now.


Jon Gruden - NFC East Blog - ESPN

MS: I told Jon, 'No offense, but you're not worth that much! And don't go to the place where they're giving up the two No. 1s for you.' I mean, it just handcuffs you.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's pretty much what it would amount to really, but I'm not sure Shanahan will pay it. He wasn't going to overpay for Bradford so not sure he'll do it now.


Jon Gruden - NFC East Blog - ESPN

Good one. SF is a totally different team than the Redskins are. Hopefully I think most intellegent Skins fans know the difference. They've drafted pretty well for awhile now and have added a few good FA pieces. Yes, Carlos Rogers is one of those pieces. But hey, I'm glad he's gone. He didn't want to be here, so no problem. I'm still wondering how he can all of a sudden catch easy INT's in SF when he couldn't in DC.

MS knows this team and the value of high picks. If he likes a QB though I don't think he'd hesitate a trade.

And yes, Gruden was not worth the picks they gave up.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Good one. SF is a totally different team than the Redskins are. Hopefully I think most intellegent Skins fans know the difference. They've drafted pretty well for awhile now and have added a few good FA pieces. Yes, Carlos Rogers is one of those pieces. But hey, I'm glad he's gone. He didn't want to be here, so no problem. I'm still wondering how he can all of a sudden catch easy INT's in SF when he couldn't in DC.

MS knows this team and the value of high picks. If he likes a QB though I don't think he'd hesitate a trade.

And yes, Gruden was not worth the picks they gave up.

It got them to a SB didn't it? Thats all that matters to some people. A franchise QB, a franchise HC whatever right?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

It got them to a SB didn't it? Thats all that matters to some people. A franchise QB, a franchise HC whatever right?

Can't argue too much w/ a SB. It was Tony Dungy's team though, but JG I guess got the ring. It'

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Good one. SF is a totally different team than the Redskins are. Hopefully I think most intellegent Skins fans know the difference. They've drafted pretty well for awhile now and have added a few good FA pieces. Yes, Carlos Rogers is one of those pieces. But hey, I'm glad he's gone. He didn't want to be here, so no problem. I'm still wondering how he can all of a sudden catch easy INT's in SF when he couldn't in DC.

MS knows this team and the value of high picks. If he likes a QB though I don't think he'd hesitate a trade.

And yes, Gruden was not worth the picks they gave up.

Trading high picks for a coach is not the same as trading high picks for a player, hence Shanahan's oft-quoted comments. If you trade for a coach, you strip him of draft picks, but if you trade for a player you still get a player.

Shanahan's comments about the Gruden hire are not relevant to a discussion about a trade-up for a player.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Trading high picks for a coach is not the same as trading high picks for a player, hence Shanahan's oft-quoted comments. If you trade for a coach, you strip him of draft picks, but if you trade for a player you still get a player.

Shanahan's comments about the Gruden hire are not relevant to a discussion about a trade-up for a player.

I think you need to reread the interview. He used the Jon Gruden trade as a comparison to trading up to the No. 1 for 3 first rounders. I think he's telling you that he doesn't think it's worth it be it a coach or a player.

I followed up with a question about the reports and speculation that it could take three No. 1 picks to trade up to the No. 1 spot and take Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck and asked if he considered that realistic or sensible. He responded with a comparison to the 2002 deal in which the Oakland Raiders got two first-round picks, two second-round picks and cash from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for head coach Jon Gruden.