Mike Shanahan

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bolded point: You need to define these parameters, or we're discussing a point based on blind faith.

Underlined point: That happens to be true of the 2009 team that Shanahan inherited as well. Luck didn't just become a significant part of football when Mike Shanahan started stringing together 10 loss seasons.

Here's the thing: we're right back to where we were at the start of the Mike Shanahan era. We don't have a lot of 25 and under talent compared to other teams, but we more or less replaced what we lost over the last two years, having done so through the draft. We're still a losing team with limited proven talent to build a foundation on. Stability is nice, but it doesn't do anything to ensure that 2012 won't be a repeat of 2010. Better talent evaluation and game preparedness does.

Shanahan is getting a second chance to get it right and turn the roster into a winner, but the fundamentals are identical to the roster he took over. The biggest difference is that he has to deal with critical expiring contracts that he didn't have in 2010.

Man, I know you study and offer educated quality opinions often on this site but I think you are way off base with this evaluation. This is talk radio fodder/reactionary sports columnist level stuff. You honestly think the roster is in the same place as it was 2 years ago?

I'd task you with looking at the Roster transition thread and still coming to the same conclusion. 52 players between 2009 and 2010 final rosters are no longer in the league. 35 of them from the final Zorn roster. So you are saying that 35 of our players have no other place in the NFL? As I said in another thread, the roster remake is about 30% done but you still have to field a 53 man roster. We are much better off, long term, than we were 24 months ago.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Man, I know you study and offer educated quality opinions often on this site but I think you are way off base with this evaluation. This is talk radio fodder/reactionary sports columnist level stuff. You honestly think the roster is in the same place as it was 2 years ago?

I'd task you with looking at the Roster transition thread and still coming to the same conclusion. 52 players between 2009 and 2010 final rosters are no longer in the league. 35 of them from the final Zorn roster. So you are saying that 35 of our players have no other place in the NFL? As I said in another thread, the roster remake is about 30% done but you still have to field a 53 man roster. We are much better off, long term, than we were 24 months ago.

In fairness to Gtripp, the question is not whether "35 of our [current] players have no other place in the NFL". Rather, it is, "In two years, will 35 players on our current roster, be out of the league entirely?" - i.e. Has MS/BA created a roster that will have the future depth that Zorn's final roster lacked?

As do you, I think they have and believe that the current all-inclusive roster contains at least 20-25 and maybe as many as 30-35 players that will
be here on opening day in 2013.