The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Thanks for the info, I'm a bit surprised by the view of Jones as more of an immediate starter then Tannehill though.

There is no dount that Tannehill lacks experience but he actually knows this offense because A&M runs it; this actually gives him a leg up in learning the offense especially considering that Jones comes from a spread.

Tannehill isn't as inexperienced as most think and will have more snaps then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

There's as much to suggest that he could be a day 1 or midseason as their is to suggest that he needs to sit for a season.

I think Landry Jones could start day one in Kyle's offense because I don't think Kyle's offense requires the quarterback to have a great grasp of coverages to complete passes down the field.

The biggest Landry Jones problem is how much his accuracy suffers when he is pressured. I mean, every quarterback's accuracy suffers when pressured, but when Jones can stand back and deliver the football, he's really accurate. When he has to move, he has awful fundamentals. Right now, Landry Jones lacks even the ability to buy an extra half second to get rid of the ball. Which should be worrisome.

I still think he's a much better fit than Tannehill. Kyle requires a passer with superior pocket mechanics.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Landry Jones could start day one in Kyle's offense because I don't think Kyle's offense requires the quarterback to have a great grasp of coverages to complete passes down the field.

I think either QB has the skillset to start or sit.
I'm not into predicting whether a QB can/will start.
Its largely dependent on the volition of the staff that drafts them.

The biggest Landry Jones problem is how much his accuracy suffers when he is pressured. I mean, every quarterback's accuracy suffers when pressured, but when Jones can stand back and deliver the football, he's really accurate. When he has to move, he has awful fundamentals. Right now, Landry Jones lacks even the ability to buy an extra half second to get rid of the ball. Which should be worrisome.

Yeah, that's one of the reason why I think Tannehill is a better prospect.

I still think he's a much better fit than Tannehill. Kyle requires a passer with superior pocket mechanics

Que paso?

I don't follow your reasoning on why you think Jones is a better fit?
Tannehill knows the offense, Tannehill is more mobile and can extend plays.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think either QB has the skillset to start or sit.
I'm not into predicting whether a QB can/will start.
Its largely dependent on the volition of the staff that drafts them.

Yeah, that's one of the reason why I think Tannehill is a better prospect.

Que paso?

I don't follow your reasoning on why you think Jones is a better fit?
Tannehill knows the offense, Tannehill is more mobile and can extend plays.

I'm with you all around on this and with Tripp on the points of agreement.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think either QB has the skillset to start or sit.
I'm not into predicting whether a QB can/will start.
Its largely dependent on the volition of the staff that drafts them.

Yeah, that's one of the reason why I think Tannehill is a better prospect.

Que paso?

I don't follow your reasoning on why you think Jones is a better fit?
Tannehill knows the offense, Tannehill is more mobile and can extend plays.

Well, Tannehill trying to push the ball down the field, even into wide open spaces in zone coverage, really leaves a lot to be desired. And that's what you're asked to do in this offense. Maybe we're seeing an inconsistent mechanical issue that's causing Tannehill this trouble. Tannehill's tendency to throw blind deeper into the progression isn't a dealbreaker for me, but it's a red flag.

The potential dealbreaker on Tannehill in this offense will be to what degree his athleticism helps or limits his pocket passing ability. At Texas A&M, Tannehill proved he could throw underneath on the run with good fundamental mechanics, but the downfield throws were not ones he made, particularly when they moved the pocket with him. If he progresses into an elite pocket passer with the ability to move with the football, that makes him one of the best players in the league at the position. If he progresses into a quick triggered player from the pocket who never learns to use or trust his eyes, he won't last very long.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Tannehill trying to push the ball down the field, even into wide open spaces in zone coverage, really leaves a lot to be desired. And that's what you're asked to do in this offense. Maybe we're seeing an inconsistent mechanical issue that's causing Tannehill this trouble. Tannehill's tendency to throw blind deeper into the progression isn't a dealbreaker for me, but it's a red flag.

The potential dealbreaker on Tannehill in this offense will be to what degree his athleticism helps or limits his pocket passing ability. At Texas A&M, Tannehill proved he could throw underneath on the run with good fundamental mechanics, but the downfield throws were not ones he made, particularly when they moved the pocket with him. If he progresses into an elite pocket passer with the ability to move with the football, that makes him one of the best players in the league at the position. If he progresses into a quick triggered player from the pocket who never learns to use or trust his eyes, he won't last very long.

I'm right there with you. Tannehill has looked good at times but never for a whole game. He has a good arm but his ability to read college D is shaky and he is about as consistent throwing the ball as Locker.

At most trade down and get another 2nd round pick and maybe another late round pick and hope he is still there in the teens.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Tannehill trying to push the ball down the field, even into wide open spaces in zone coverage, really leaves a lot to be desired. And that's what you're asked to do in this offense.

I'm a little confused by what you mean here.
Do you think Tannehill can't drive the ball with velocity on intermediate throws? Or do you mean the deep ball on a go-route?

Tannehill's ability to drive the ball with velocity on intermediate routes is a strength to my eye.
His deep ball touch doesn't match his ability to drive the ball, I would rate his deep ball as average.

Tannehill's tendency to throw blind deeper into the progression isn't a dealbreaker for me, but it's a red flag.

Don't understand what you mean by 'throw blind'.
But, Tannehill follows his progressions as well as any other top prospect considering his level of experience.
It also helps that he's making his progressions from a pro-style offense that is a direct variant of Kyle's offense.

The potential dealbreaker on Tannehill in this offense will be to what degree his athleticism helps or limits his pocket passing ability.

Completely disagree.
There is no way to spin athleticism into a negative.
Athleticism doesn't limit a prospect in anyway, its only a strength.

At Texas A&M, Tannehill proved he could throw underneath on the run with good fundamental mechanics, but the downfield throws were not ones he made, particularly when they moved the pocket with him.

Disagree completely.
One of the reason I followed Tannehill last year was his arm talent.
Tannehill can drive the ball with velocity both inside and outside the pocket.
I would think this is evident in any A&M game.
The playcalling's reliance (often times to fault) on Tannehill's ability to throw deep comebacks and deep outs are a testament to his ability to drive the ball downfield.

I'm still trying to understand your view of Jones vs Tannehill as fit for this offense.

[30gut]

Here's a good non-TV feed view of some of the A&M vs OU (2010)



I just wanted to point out a few throws:

@1:58
good balanced footwork, set-up quick on rhythm and deliver an accurate ball under duress from a blitz in his own endzone
@2:24
flashes the arm talent and playmaking ability that makes him a top prospect: extends the play moving to his left, resets then drives an intermediate ball w/ velocity into the 2nd/3rd level of the secondary
@4:55
works a full field progression moving right to left, finds his backside (probably 3rd option) and delivery a good ball on time on target
@6:06
again working full field progression from right to left, finds backside WR on a streak delivers accurate deep ball

These are examples of what I see and like from Tannehill skillset that makes him an attractive option for this team/offense

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I just wanted to point out a few throws:

@1:58
good balanced footwork, set-up quick on rhythm and deliver an accurate ball under duress from a blitz in his own endzone
@2:24
flashes the arm talent and playmaking ability that makes him a top prospect: extends the play moving to his left, resets then drives an intermediate ball w/ velocity into the 2nd/3rd level of the secondary
@4:55
works a full field progression moving right to left, finds his backside (probably 3rd option) and delivery a good ball on time on target
@6:06
again working full field progression from right to left, finds backside WR on a streak delivers accurate deep ball

These are examples of what I see and like from Tannehill skillset that makes him an attractive option for this team/offense

I like how quickly Tannehill moves through his progressions when the concepts are simple. He typically doesn't spend time on covered receivers, which makes him different than Foles. I would suggest though that he's not doing full field reads so much as he's just using his eyes to move a free safety against an expected coverage. Which, of course, is an NFL skill that quarterbacks need.

Tannehill had some more troubling film down the stretch this season (2011), but at least that seven game run in 2010 culminating in the Cotton Bowl gives you a good glimpse of what you have when the player is well coached to use his eyes arm and feet first.

[GTripp0012]

I really like how Tannehill is controlling the line of scrimmage here. He's got LSU jumping all over the place. He didn't throw the ball particularly well in this game, but he's clearly got those innate game management skills.