The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Tannehill trying to push the ball down the field, even into wide open spaces in zone coverage, really leaves a lot to be desired. And that's what you're asked to do in this offense.

I'm a little confused by what you mean here.
Do you think Tannehill can't drive the ball with velocity on intermediate throws? Or do you mean the deep ball on a go-route?

Tannehill's ability to drive the ball with velocity on intermediate routes is a strength to my eye.
His deep ball touch doesn't match his ability to drive the ball, I would rate his deep ball as average.

Tannehill's tendency to throw blind deeper into the progression isn't a dealbreaker for me, but it's a red flag.

Don't understand what you mean by 'throw blind'.
But, Tannehill follows his progressions as well as any other top prospect considering his level of experience.
It also helps that he's making his progressions from a pro-style offense that is a direct variant of Kyle's offense.

The potential dealbreaker on Tannehill in this offense will be to what degree his athleticism helps or limits his pocket passing ability.

Completely disagree.
There is no way to spin athleticism into a negative.
Athleticism doesn't limit a prospect in anyway, its only a strength.

At Texas A&M, Tannehill proved he could throw underneath on the run with good fundamental mechanics, but the downfield throws were not ones he made, particularly when they moved the pocket with him.

Disagree completely.
One of the reason I followed Tannehill last year was his arm talent.
Tannehill can drive the ball with velocity both inside and outside the pocket.
I would think this is evident in any A&M game.
The playcalling's reliance (often times to fault) on Tannehill's ability to throw deep comebacks and deep outs are a testament to his ability to drive the ball downfield.

I'm still trying to understand your view of Jones vs Tannehill as fit for this offense.

[30gut]

Here's a good non-TV feed view of some of the A&M vs OU (2010)



I just wanted to point out a few throws:

@1:58
good balanced footwork, set-up quick on rhythm and deliver an accurate ball under duress from a blitz in his own endzone
@2:24
flashes the arm talent and playmaking ability that makes him a top prospect: extends the play moving to his left, resets then drives an intermediate ball w/ velocity into the 2nd/3rd level of the secondary
@4:55
works a full field progression moving right to left, finds his backside (probably 3rd option) and delivery a good ball on time on target
@6:06
again working full field progression from right to left, finds backside WR on a streak delivers accurate deep ball

These are examples of what I see and like from Tannehill skillset that makes him an attractive option for this team/offense

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I just wanted to point out a few throws:

@1:58
good balanced footwork, set-up quick on rhythm and deliver an accurate ball under duress from a blitz in his own endzone
@2:24
flashes the arm talent and playmaking ability that makes him a top prospect: extends the play moving to his left, resets then drives an intermediate ball w/ velocity into the 2nd/3rd level of the secondary
@4:55
works a full field progression moving right to left, finds his backside (probably 3rd option) and delivery a good ball on time on target
@6:06
again working full field progression from right to left, finds backside WR on a streak delivers accurate deep ball

These are examples of what I see and like from Tannehill skillset that makes him an attractive option for this team/offense

I like how quickly Tannehill moves through his progressions when the concepts are simple. He typically doesn't spend time on covered receivers, which makes him different than Foles. I would suggest though that he's not doing full field reads so much as he's just using his eyes to move a free safety against an expected coverage. Which, of course, is an NFL skill that quarterbacks need.

Tannehill had some more troubling film down the stretch this season (2011), but at least that seven game run in 2010 culminating in the Cotton Bowl gives you a good glimpse of what you have when the player is well coached to use his eyes arm and feet first.

[GTripp0012]

I really like how Tannehill is controlling the line of scrimmage here. He's got LSU jumping all over the place. He didn't throw the ball particularly well in this game, but he's clearly got those innate game management skills.

[jbcjr14]

I think we should contact Patrick Ramsey and see if he has completed Memory Eradication 101.

Seriously, 4 months of this talk is going to get exhausting!

[30gut]

I forgot to mention my nit-picks with Tannehill:

o I noticed a tendency where he lets his arm and elbow drop which lowers his throwing height and combined with his regular use of a 3/4 release imo results in more passes being batted down then should happen for a 6'4 QB

I would prefer if he would keep his arm and elbow up and fully extend his arm overhead.

I also feel like he lacks the confidence of trusting in his athleticism/playmaking.
I think he passes up the chance to adlib and make a good play in favor of sticking with a play that the defense has covered. (b/c of Sherman's predictable playmaking)
But, I think that confidence will come with experience.

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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I really like how Tannehill is controlling the line of scrimmage here. He's got LSU jumping all over the place. He didn't throw the ball particularly well in this game, but he's clearly got those innate game management skills.

Which is impressive considering he was a starting WR during his freshman and sophomore years at A&M. In fact they mention in that highlight that he's the 5th leading receiver in A&M history. If he's this good at QB now with such limited experience, I'm sure he's got lots of room to improve.

[SFREDSKIN]

Foles is the 3rd best QB in this draft, not Jones, not Tannehill. In my opinion he's the one to watch.

2012 NFL Draft: Nick Foles and More Seniors Who Will Help Stock During Offseason | Bleacher Report

[musicmaster45]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Foles is the 3rd best QB in this draft, not Jones, not Tannehill. In my opinion he's the one to watch.

2012 NFL Draft: Nick Foles and More Seniors Who Will Help Stock During Offseason | Bleacher Report

Dude link was ok. I was reading the part at the bottom about Jared Crick. I know he is not a need but being a CornHusker fan and next year a Husker i watch him and man he would be like the DE version of Kerrigan. Never gives up and is quite talented.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Foles is the 3rd best QB in this draft, not Jones, not Tannehill. In my opinion he's the one to watch.

2012 NFL Draft: Nick Foles and More Seniors Who Will Help Stock During Offseason | Bleacher Report

Scouting report on Foles: Nick Foles Scouting Report | Mock Draft | Rant Sports

Great size. Sounds like a Big Ben type.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Which is impressive considering he was a starting WR during his freshman and sophomore years at A&M. In fact they mention in that highlight that he's the 5th leading receiver in A&M history. If he's this good at QB now with such limited experience, I'm sure he's got lots of room to improve.

The biggest thing with Tannehill is figuring out why he regressed at the end of his senior year as a passer. I don't have an answer, just a question. Could be a team-oriented issue. It's just when you have a guy who hasn't played a lot of college football at quarterback, and he's beating ranked teams right away because the position is a natural fit, you don't expect him to struggle with more experience. Tannehill did.

One thing I can't deny is that he faced some really good defensive teams in a short time as a starting QB at Texas A&M.

The other thing that's weird with Tannehill: in the first half of 2011, he rushed for 231 yards on 29 carries and three TDs. In the second half of 2011, he rushed for 75 yards on 29 carries and one TD.

Tannehill was a completely different player in the second half of the season, and I have no idea why that was

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The biggest thing with Tannehill is figuring out why he regressed at the end of his senior year as a passer. I don't have an answer, just a question. Could be a team-oriented issue. It's just when you have a guy who hasn't played a lot of college football at quarterback, and he's beating ranked teams right away because the position is a natural fit, you don't expect him to struggle with more experience. Tannehill did.

One thing I can't deny is that he faced some really good defensive teams in a short time as a starting QB at Texas A&M.

The other thing that's weird with Tannehill: in the first half of 2011, he rushed for 231 yards on 29 carries and three TDs. In the second half of 2011, he rushed for 75 yards on 29 carries and one TD.

Tannehill was a completely different player in the second half of the season, and I have no idea why that was

Well, A&M pretty much fell apart as a team in the second half of the season. The same season which resulted in Mike Sherman's firing. Looking at his split stats, his comp % and rushing yards went down and his INTs went up a bit, but the passing yards and TD passes were still there.

I haven't watched much film of Tannehill, so I have no idea why he had a drop off either. All I know is when a team implodes they way they did (losing 4 of 5 down the stretch) and the coach gets fired, lots of things are going wrong. How much of Tannehill's struggles fall squarely on him? Again, your guess is as good as mine.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The biggest thing with Tannehill is figuring out why he regressed at the end of his senior year as a passer. I don't have an answer, just a question. Could be a team-oriented issue. It's just when you have a guy who hasn't played a lot of college football at quarterback, and he's beating ranked teams right away because the position is a natural fit, you don't expect him to struggle with more experience. Tannehill did.

One thing I can't deny is that he faced some really good defensive teams in a short time as a starting QB at Texas A&M.

The other thing that's weird with Tannehill: in the first half of 2011, he rushed for 231 yards on 29 carries and three TDs. In the second half of 2011, he rushed for 75 yards on 29 carries and one TD.

Tannehill was a completely different player in the second half of the season, and I have no idea why that was

Not to be trivial but perhaps he was injured in some way...or did he lose some weapons due to injury? If there aren't any extenuating circumstances than I too would be concerned with a sudden unexplained decline in play.