Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler declares for NFL Draft

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Seems like there are a lot of QB prospects that are getting discussed around here as if they are extremely well-regarded. Does anybody know how many QBs are coming out that people like McShay, Mayock, Kiper, etc. would assign a first round grade to?

I hear Tannehill, Foles, this Osweiler guy, several others. Can you draftniks help a brother out and explain where each guy is slotted by the experts? It kind of feels like there are 10 first round QBs this year, a little perspective would be valuable.

Luck, Griffin, Tannehill won't get out of the first round. I just don't think there's any way that Osweiler will either. That's a GTripp opinion right now, as he's really only a second or third round value as a passer coming out. But so was Cam Newton.

Foles could end up being the third guy off the board or the fifth guy off the board.

The best value in this draft (outside of Kellen Moore, who just seems like he's going to get horribly undervalued because you can't look at him and think "first round quarterback") will end up being Cousins because 1) he has first round ability and profiles favorably to one or two of the guys I listed above, and 2) he's just going to get buried into the third round (if not later) by the remarkable depth of this draft.

Basically, you're looking at two guys going in the top five or six picks (or three if the Redskins reach), and another two or three going before the end of the first round. Foles isn't going to make it past pick 40. So that's five guys who will be gone by the time the Redskins are slated to pick in round 2.

And IMO, two other guys with first round quarterback abilities who are going to get driven down the board because of highly superficial concerns about their ability to hold up in the pros as starters. And, well, because supply exceeds demand so that someone is going to get driven down.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Luck, Griffin, Tannehill won't get out of the first round. I just don't think there's any way that Osweiler will either. That's a GTripp opinion right now, as he's really only a second or third round value as a passer coming out. But so was Cam Newton.

Foles could end up being the third guy off the board or the fifth guy off the board.

The best value in this draft (outside of Kellen Moore, who just seems like he's going to get horribly undervalued because you can't look at him and think "first round quarterback") will end up being Cousins because 1) he has first round ability and profiles favorably to one or two of the guys I listed above, and 2) he's just going to get buried into the third round (if not later) by the remarkable depth of this draft.

Basically, you're looking at two guys going in the top five or six picks (or three if the Redskins reach), and another two or three going before the end of the first round. Foles isn't going to make it past pick 40. So that's five guys who will be gone by the time the Redskins are slated to pick in round 2.

And IMO, two other guys with first round quarterback abilities who are going to get driven down the board because of highly superficial concerns about their ability to hold up in the pros as starters. And, well, because supply exceeds demand so that someone is going to get driven down.

Cool that's helpful. So from your point of view - assuming we can't get Luck or Griffin - you're probably hoping to see us be patient and sometime after Round 1 snatch up whichever talented QB drops further than he should on draft day?

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cool that's helpful. So from your point of view - assuming we can't get Luck or Griffin - you're probably hoping to see us be patient and sometime after Round 1 snatch up whichever talented QB drops further than he should on draft day?

I think that would be a good strategy for any team w/QB need, though I'm not sure it's a luxury the current coaching staff has.

I think it seems to be breaking in a certain way that Tannehill and Osweiler (and this is just speculation, particularly in Osweiler's case) will be overvalued assets on draft day while Kellen Moore, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles will be undervalued. But that doesn't mean I would wait around until the top four QBs get taken to make a move in the draft to get a QB. I could see Philadelphia targeting Osweiler in the first round and so I may be willing to have the Redskins trade up ahead of Philly to get him, IF they think he can play. Sure, that'd be reaching for him, but the guy has a boatload of talent.

I'm also not sure how Brandon Weeden will play into this. He will on some level, but at 29 years old next year, I'm one of those who believes his advanced age calls everything about his college career into question. When you see it in numbers, it was a really sensational career and someone will take him in the mid rounds for his abilities, but then I go back on tape and watch Kellen Moore against Weeden and it's easy to see why he will be lost in the depth of this class.