And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

OK, for the moment, let's assume that GB tags Flynn and then trades him to Cleveland for several draft picks. That would put us in position to land RGIII but I think we would be wise to still try to trade up to get ahead of Tampa.

With a new HC in Tampa, I wouldn't trust that they would not take RGIII. I feel that Cleveland wouldn't need to give up the #4 pick to get Flynn but hey would still like to recoup a pick or two by trading down with the Skins.

The one problem I can foresee with this scenario is if Cleveland wants Richardson and they are afraid that Tampa might draft him. In that case, they would need to stay where they are.

BTW, in my mind, Luck, Kalil, and Blackmon are locks to go in the top three picks. I think that RGIII is going to be taken 4th by somebody. I can't imagine RGIII going any lower than 6th.

My "small miacle" draft scenario:

1. IND - Luck
2. STL - Kalil
3. MIN - Blackmon
4. CLE - Richardson
5. TAM - Claiborne
6. WAS - RGIII

That would be sweet! I can see Holmgren wanting Flynn, because of the system, and cold weather similarities with Green Bay, and he and/or Green Bay may prefer playing in the AFC vs. playing against his old team. Plus, he had a pretty good experience with another former Green Bay back-up in Hasselback.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

That would be sweet! I can see Holmgren wanting Flynn, because of the system, and cold weather similarities with Green Bay, and he and/or Green Bay may prefer playing in the AFC vs. playing against his old team. Plus, he had a pretty good experience with another former Green Bay back-up in Hasselback.

Because of the weather? The system? ... They're in position to draft RG3. The greatest deep thrower I have ever seen in college football, and his speed is at least at Mike Vick's level.

Flynn is not Hasselback. Just like Colt McCoy is not Brett Favre.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Because of the weather? The system? ... They're in position to draft RG3. The greatest deep thrower I have ever seen in college football, and his speed is at least at Mike Vick's level.

Flynn is not Hasselback. Just like Colt McCoy is not Brett Favre.

Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. But stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the only way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. But stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the only way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?

1. I think they do if they feel that the drop off in talent from Kalil to Reiff/Martin is worth it. They can't draft either at Seattle's pick, but can at Miami's pick and this should make the Dolphins a factor.
2. No. Why would they? They have needs everywhere, if a team goes up and drafts RG3, they likely get Blackmon... who may even be a BETTER talent. Cleveland has a new GM who likes his draft picks, they made a trade to get more draft picks. They will use the draft picks.
3. Miami. Jets might try, but their pick is too late for St. Lou or Minny.
4. It's weird because RG3 is actually the PERFECT QB for both Shanny's. RG3 can throw deep as well as any college QB Kyle will ever scout, perfect fit. RG3 can throw on the run as well as any college qb Mike will ever scout, perfect fit. It comes down to whether or not the Skins are stubborn in their "gathering picks" mentality, or just think there's a slight chance he drops.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

1. I think they do if they feel that the drop off in talent from Kalil to Reiff/Martin is worth it. They can't draft either at Seattle's pick, but can at Miami's pick and this should make the Dolphins a factor.
2. No. Why would they? They have needs everywhere, if a team goes up and drafts RG3, they likely get Blackmon... who may even be a BETTER talent. Cleveland has a new GM who likes his draft picks, they made a trade to get more draft picks. They will use the draft picks.
3. Miami. Jets might try, but their pick is too late for St. Lou or Minny.
4. It's weird because RG3 is actually the PERFECT QB for both Shanny's. RG3 can throw deep as well as any college QB Kyle will ever scout, perfect fit. RG3 can throw on the run as well as any college qb Mike will ever scout, perfect fit. It comes down to whether or not the Skins are stubborn in their "gathering picks" mentality, or just think there's a slight chance he drops.

4. Maybe. Still not convinced RGIII is a pro style qb. Maybe he is, but I'm a little leary.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

1. I think they do if they feel that the drop off in talent from Kalil to Reiff/Martin is worth it. They can't draft either at Seattle's pick, but can at Miami's pick and this should make the Dolphins a factor.
2. No. Why would they? They have needs everywhere, if a team goes up and drafts RG3, they likely get Blackmon... who may even be a BETTER talent. Cleveland has a new GM who likes his draft picks, they made a trade to get more draft picks. They will use the draft picks.
3. Miami. Jets might try, but their pick is too late for St. Lou or Minny.
4. It's weird because RG3 is actually the PERFECT QB for both Shanny's. RG3 can throw deep as well as any college QB Kyle will ever scout, perfect fit. RG3 can throw on the run as well as any college qb Mike will ever scout, perfect fit. It comes down to whether or not the Skins are stubborn in their "gathering picks" mentality, or just think there's a slight chance he drops.

#4- I think your right about the other answers but this one I have some issues with. My issues center around a question I keep asking and that is will the Shanahan's use plays best suited for RGIII abilities or will they expect him to fit in their scheme? I ask because they started Grossman and everyone wanted Beck because of his mobility. After 4 games they made the switch and we all expected to see improvement and Beck possibly running for first downs if need be, but that's not what we got we got Beck sitting in the pocket more then Grossman and no runs for first downs.

I see RGIII and I see Cam Newton and although we fans would be happy with that I could see KS calling plays that keep RGIIi in the pocket more often like they did with Beck, totally not using the mobility to our advantage. Which is my point, do we need RGIII if they want a pocket passer? Maybe the coaching staff is looking at some other QB who has pocket presence.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

#4- I think your right about the other answers but this one I have some issues with. My issues center around a question I keep asking and that is will the Shanahan's use plays best suited for RGIII abilities or will they expect him to fit in their scheme? I ask because they started Grossman and everyone wanted Beck because of his mobility. After 4 games they made the switch and we all expected to see improvement and Beck possibly running for first downs if need be, but that's not what we got we got Beck sitting in the pocket more then Grossman and no runs for first downs.

I see RGIII and I see Cam Newton and although we fans would be happy with that I could see KS calling plays that keep RGIIi in the pocket more often like they did with Beck, totally not using the mobility to our advantage. Which is my point, do we need RGIII if they want a pocket passer? Maybe the coaching staff is looking at some other QB who has pocket presence.

There's a key thing you forgot to bring up though man. RG3 creates a lot of these plays on his own. He feels the pressure in the pocket and rather than just falling into the fetal position like we're so used to with Campbell and Grossman, RG3 can turn a sack into 20 yards up the field. A rare ability.

We'll have to forget about John Beck at some point, because he wasn't good enough to throw the ball 10 yards, never mind run it 10 yards.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

There's a key thing you forgot to bring up though man. RG3 creates a lot of these plays on his own. He feels the pressure in the pocket and rather than just falling into the fetal position like we're so used to with Campbell and Grossman, RG3 can turn a sack into 20 yards up the field. A rare ability.

We'll have to forget about John Beck at some point, because he wasn't good enough to throw the ball 10 yards, never mind run it 10 yards.

It only takes keeping the play alive. Brady, the Mannings, Big Ben, Rodgers, Warner. They didn't win super bowls because they could dart 20 yards downfield whenever there was pressure. Pocket presence and making quick, decisive decisions is the key. RGIII will need to prove he can be an elite passer in the NFL if he's going to win anything. The ability to run is just a bonus. Rely on it too much and hello IR.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

There's a key thing you forgot to bring up though man. RG3 creates a lot of these plays on his own. He feels the pressure in the pocket and rather than just falling into the fetal position like we're so used to with Campbell and Grossman, RG3 can turn a sack into 20 yards up the field. A rare ability.

We'll have to forget about John Beck at some point, because he wasn't good enough to throw the ball 10 yards, never mind run it 10 yards.

I didn't forget. But all I'm saying is Beck was supposed to be the mobile QB, fans wanted Beck to play, when Beck got his chance it seemed like all he was asked to do was drop back and pass the ball. No running, no nothing just sitting back and getting sacked. I'm not even sure he could have ran for a 1st down the way the pocket collapsed most of the time.

Again all I'm saying is RGIII could be the best QB coming out but if the team is not going to utilize his talents then they might as well pick a QB that has the talents they will be asking him to utilize. Which brings me back to saying Luck will be gone and who knows if RGIII is even the QB the team is interested in? he's who we fans are interested in but it might not be who the coaches are interested in.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Yeah, I have to admit that you are probably right. But stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Realistically, I have to admit that the only way for the Skins to ensure that they will get RGIII is to trade with St. Louis to get the #2 pick.

If we accept that premise and we assume that the Skins want RGIII, then some questions remain:

1. Would St. Louis trade the pick?
2. Would Cleveland trade up to get RGIII?
3. Are there any other teams that would try to trade up for RGIII?
4. Would the Skins be willing and able to outbid all of the other teams?

Good synopsis; my answers in order; 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) yes, 4) no

Even if his combine/personal workouts are avg. I think RGIII is going to blow up in pre-draft hype; he's M. Vick w/brains! I won't be surprised if the debate furthers on RGIII v. LUck.

I think there are other teams that would trade up & I think Cleveland holds the cards. If they really want him I don't see Allen & Shanny going too far in a bidding war. We have a couple extra picks in this draft but that's nothing to what Cleveland has.

If Cleveland isn't interested in trading up, someone else will be this year's 2011 Atlanta; willing to give up 4-5 picks or so to get him. I would be really surprised if this regime is willing to do that. Unless of course, the Danny gets involved!