I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[sportscurmudgeon]

Back from Chicago - - on a trip with "The Client From Hell"... Pardon me while I exhale for a moment.

The three way trade I have been hearing about for the last two weeks or so which involves the Skins/Rams/Vikes is definitely on the back burner at the moment because the Vikes supposedly want two players - - potential starters - - and not as many lower round picks.

There is a ton of time to negotiate all of this because the draft is not going to happen for the next twelve weeks; but at the moment, this one is "not happening". Stay tuned because this could be the "hot topic" starting again tomorrow at noon. That is the essence of the NFL off-season.

For the record, there is a huge difference between when a trade can be announced officially and when a trade becomes so widely known that the fact that it has been consummated can no longer be denied. Sort of like some free-agent signings that happen immediately after the signing window opens... Amazingly, those teams and the agents for those FAs figure out all the details in about 32 minutes flat.

However, as of this moment, decrease the probability that the Skins get Bradford and give up Orakpo plus picks as their end of the deal.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Back from Chicago - - on a trip with "The Client From Hell"... Pardon me while I exhale for a moment.

The three way trade I have been hearing about for the last two weeks or so which involves the Skins/Rams/Vikes is definitely on the back burner at the moment because the Vikes supposedly want two players - - potential starters - - and not as many lower round picks.

There is a ton of time to negotiate all of this because the draft is not going to happen for the next twelve weeks; but at the moment, this one is "not happening". Stay tuned because this could be the "hot topic" starting again tomorrow at noon. That is the essence of the NFL off-season.

For the record, there is a huge difference between when a trade can be announced officially and when a trade becomes so widely known that the fact that it has been consummated can no longer be denied. Sort of like some free-agent signings that happen immediately after the signing window opens... Amazingly, those teams and the agents for those FAs figure out all the details in about 32 minutes flat.

However, as of this moment, decrease the probability that the Skins get Bradford and give up Orakpo plus picks as their end of the deal.

Interesting. I think most of us here would say Orakpo going to them and back into a 4-3 defense makes the Rams better. I don't know that Bradford coming here makes the Skins a ton better. I would think the Rams should be offering the Skins draft picks included in the trade to sweeten the lot vs the Skins tossing in draft picks to sweeten the pot.

Who knows maybe Bradford turns out to be the next Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze. I just don't see it but if that's the plan I hope it works out.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Interesting. I think most of us here would say Orakpo going to them and back into a 4-3 defense makes the Rams better. I don't know that Bradford coming here makes the Skins a ton better. I would think the Rams should be offering the Skins draft picks included in the trade to sweeten the lot vs the Skins tossing in draft picks to sweeten the pot.

Who knows maybe Bradford turns out to be the next Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze. I just don't see it but if that's the plan I hope it works out.

My rumor mill scenario had Orakpo going to the Vikes not the Rams.

The reality is that most of the NFL execs know that the Skins covet a new QB who can actually play. Therefore, no matter what any of us may think about the greatness of any Redskins roster player at the moment, the fact is that if the Skins are trying to acquire a QB - - player or draft pick - - the Skins are going to have to "pay up" to get him. Execs around the league know for sure that the Shanahans are not going to go into the 2012 season with Grossman, Beck and "some guy who led a Division III team to the playoffs" as their QB tandem.

The reality is that the teams holding the QB or the draft pick that the Skins think they want/need are in the driver's seat as of now.

But that could change dramatically once the free-agency period starts if the Skins sign a viable free-agent. The guy they might sign need not be Drew Brees or anyone of that caliber just so it is a guy that folks can believe is the team's focus as the starting QB. That alone would change the price tag on a trade for a draft pick...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

My rumor mill scenario had Orakpo going to the Vikes not the Rams.

The reality is that most of the NFL execs know that the Skins covet a new QB who can actually play. Therefore, no matter what any of us may think about the greatness of any Redskins roster player at the moment, the fact is that if the Skins are trying to acquire a QB - - player or draft pick - - the Skins are going to have to "pay up" to get him. Execs around the league know for sure that the Shanahans are not going to go into the 2012 season with Grossman, Beck and "some guy who led a Division III team to the playoffs" as their QB tandem.

The reality is that the teams holding the QB or the draft pick that the Skins think they want/need are in the driver's seat as of now.

But that could change dramatically once the free-agency period starts if the Skins sign a viable free-agent. The guy they might sign need not be Drew Brees or anyone of that caliber just so it is a guy that folks can believe is the team's focus as the starting QB. That alone would change the price tag on a trade for a draft pick...

'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though

True 'dat.

And I told you originally that I did not see why Orakpo to the Vikings was a great idea from the Vikings' standpoint...

Nonetheless, the word as of late this afternoon is that this deal has cooled down.

And you are absolutely correct about the need to sign a credible FA at QB prior to the draft just so the 5 teams ahead of the Skins cannot effect highway robbery just to allow a team that is desperate for a QB to move up a few spots in the draft.

My favorite of the FAs at QB would be Orton. I think he will get more than a bit of attention but he would be my pick if there were no other constraints on the selection.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though

What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?

30 some years old coming off back surgery. Going to be tough for him

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

30 some years old coming off back surgery. Going to be tough for him

Didn't know about back surgery? Makes more sense to me now Jax dumped him and no one picked him up...

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What's David Gerrard up to? I was surprised nobody picked him up last season. If he's been working out maybe he deserves a look?

I believe Gerrard has a back/neck/vertabrae "issue" and that scared teams off.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

'Twas my scenario that had Orakpo in St. Louis.

It still doesn't entirely make sense to me, and I know we discussed this, why the Vikings were in this in the first place. Do they really need to go through Minnesota for the 1st or 2nd pick or Bradford?

But to your point, they need to sign a FA QB just so we're not "desperate" come end of April.

I'm torn on who that FA QB should be though

Is there a possibility somewhere through the rumor mill telephone game someone is blending two different scenarios? Say the Skins contacted the Rams with a Orakpo and picks for Bradford or the #2 spot, and then the team contacted the Vikes about a different trade to get to the #3 spot ahead of Browns in order to get RGIII?

Otherwise one would have to wonder what the Vikes want from us or what the Vikes want from the Rams or what the Rams might want from the Vikes that includes them in a 3 way trade.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Is there a possibility somewhere through the rumor mill telephone game someone is blending two different scenarios? Say the Skins contacted the Rams with a Orakpo and picks for Bradford or the #2 spot, and then the team contacted the Vikes about a different trade to get to the #3 spot ahead of Browns in order to get RGIII?

Otherwise one would have to wonder what the Vikes want from us or what the Vikes want from the Rams or what the Rams might want from the Vikes that includes them in a 3 way trade.

I don't know. I mean, like I said, I haven't heard any mention of Vikings and Redskins so I can't really speak to that.