I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[SmootSmack]

I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.

So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff.

Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.

I took that as bringing in veteran competition but, I guess should start thinking of a worse case scenario instead of hoping for the best.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.

I thought that I would seek more inside info than vague press conference coach-speak.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.

Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"

I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round but has produced more quality QBs then most.
I'd bet his hit rate average with QBs outstrips the average of the rest of the league.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round.
And has produced more quality QBs then most.
His track record suggests that when it comes to QBs he right far more often then the NFL at large.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.

Well don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what this scout (former actually) and some others think is happening in Cleveland.

Me personally? I think they don't really have an opinion on McCoy yet