Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb

[portistothehouse]

No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by portistothehouse

No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.

If you are a betting man let me know, cause I will take you up on that 1.


Where does your vast knowledge of Campbell come from? Considering he hasen't played a down in the NFL?

So let's get this straight, players, coach's, and scheme's don't have anything to do with a QB's success?

How bout Drew Bree's did that tiger change it's stripes? Or perhap's he was a good QB all along and just needed to get comfortable in the right situation, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The only reason he started was because of Rivers prolonged holdout.

Circumstances can very easily and quite often dictate the ability and progress of a QB, especially a young one with a new system to learn every year.

Campbell will become trade bait in a couple of year's once Ramsey solidifies his job as starter. The best we can hope from Campbell is that he developes enough to bring back more than what we gave up. He wasen't a great college QB I don't know why everyone believes this kid is going to be a super bowl caliber QB? Ramsey has proven a heck of lot more than Campbell, with change after change.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

How bout Drew Bree's........, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!

What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.

Probably the pencil necked geek's in San Diego who after drafting Bree's #1 a couple of year's earlier went and drafted River's to take his place, only a holdout kept Rivers from starting and stopped the talk of Bree's being cut.


The only difference in Bree's is his INT's went way down??????? WHY DO THINK THAT IS????????

You don't believe Ramsey's INT's will go down as he get's some protection and familiarity with this offense????

Bree's didn't play much his first year? WHY? Ramsey played his first year and very well for a rookie, you may notice as you continue to read up on your stat's that Ramsey didn't play in many game's his first couple of year's do to the fact that he was a rookie, as well as he had an injury which he played through even though he couldn't throw off his back foot, while being pummled time and again by SS's blocking schemes, then he has to come into games last season to try and bail out Brunnell and learn a new offense on the run considering Brunnel recieved most of the rep's and preperation of the new offense.

I will say this about Campbell, Brunell a seasoned veteran, and Ramsey a near genious had all they could do to try an comprehend Gibbs offense, and I am to believe this kid out of college who is green at best is going to master it, especially after his wonderlik score of 9 the first time he took it? That he will be starting next year? Perhap's? That is, if Ramsey's arm's and leg's fall off.


My source on Bree's is this Miami was offering us 2 #1's for Ramsey when talk was circulating that Bree's may be released, you don't think the Charger's knowing they were going with a new QB wouldn't have taken anything for Bree's if they could have gotten it? No one was offering the charger's anything for Bree's because they all new Bree's was on his way out the door before River's held out, Bree's has also had the opportunity of stability with Marty, yet we can't give the same oppotunity to Ramsey? I am not even concerned that Ramsey is the good's I know he is, my biggest concern is that Gibbs football mind catches up with the new era in the NFL.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by portistothehouse

.......And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep.....

Great point! I was just about to make the same point. There are more excuses for Ramsey than TD's passes he threw last year. It is everybody else's fault but Ramsey and his actual talent.

[dblanch66]

Well...in the history of Redskin QB's, the last one that I truly believed in was Theismann. Even when D. Williams and Rypien were starting, they always made me nervous. Joey T. was just so friggin' competitive and he hated the Cowboys and would do just about anything to shove it in their faces. There's some great old video of Joey T. spiking the ball at the helmet of a puss-ass cowboy in the endzone after he scored and a fight erupted. Great days indeed!! I would like to see a little passion and fire and heart out of Patrick. If he can tap into that, maybe that will vault him into a big game kind of player. Like I said earlier, this is THE year for him. If strides are not made, he will be gone. But I am pulling for the kid and I am still more comfortable with him starting than the rook or BooNell.