Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I know and I'm glad for it. I have confidence they'll make the right decision. If it be a trade up, stay put, or move back in the draft. I'll be fine with it as long as we don't put all our eggs in one basket.

What if that one basket was named Andrew Luck?

Given the Shanahan era to date, if I said you could get Andrew Luck in a trade with the Colts, but it would cost you every pick in the 2012 draft and the 2013 first rounder, would you trade an entire draft for the guy?

I'd have to imagine you would, because there is a good chance the Colts would turn that offer down if it was actually made to them.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Have your nurse call me secretary. Had a similar case last year when a client was being sued for eating while removing tonsils. Knocked it out in 15 minutes.

[Ruhskins]

In the end I feel that Shanahan is not going to have one single strategy in mind. How this all develops will be a series of cause/effect situations happening. For instance here is my take:

Free Agency: The Redskins will look for a viable FA QB in free agency. If a healthy Manning is an option, I think MS goes for him. It gives him a lot of flexibility in the draft and the team will be able to keep their picks. Worst case scenario the team will sign some FA QB that is a viable starter, this will be important for any trade up negotiations. The Redskins will also look at the deep free agent class of WRs to possibly get their #1 receiver. Also, I am sure they will look for o-line depth, and defensive players.

Draft: With Manning or a viable FA QB starter, the Redskins may be in a better position to negotiate, as they will not appear to be desperate for RG3. So here is where a lot of things could happen or not happen. The Browns have the most ammo, but if they acquire a FA QB, then I think we become the next best trading partner. Also, RG3 could miraculously fall to us. Or we could trade up (esp if we don't have Manning), but hopefully it will mean that we won't be betting the farm. I think that if we do come out of free agency with a mediocre QB (e.g. another Grossman) then we are going to get bent over in a trade up.

My point with this is that anything can happen. There are good and bad reasons for acquiring Manning, there are good or bad reasons for trading up for RG3. At least we have options this year. We could be stuck with a terrible QB free agent class and having to overpay in a trade to get RG3.

[GTripp0012]

The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.

And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.

The single biggest problem with the Shanahan era has been that other part: that in terms of the moves he made, you can't really group it by moves that have worked out, and moves that haven't worked out. The two groups have been: moves that have failed spectacularly (McNabb, Brown, unfortunately Hightower), and moves that still could go either way (Banks, Cofield, Wilson, Atogwe, Bowen). There is no group of guys who have achieved great success in the NFL (Kerrigan? Even that's jumping to conclusions).

The moves that worked out great have been Vonnie Holliday, Jabar Gaffney, Sav Rocca. Those guys were all too old to be franchise cornerstones, and the offensive weapon of the group is the punter.

[GTripp0012]

Think of the Adam Archuleta signing in 2006 and how Gregg Williams was planning on starting Pierson Prioleau at SS that season. And then on the opening kickoff of the season (because someone has to cover kicks), Prioleau tears his knee up and you're stuck watching Archuleta get torched in coverage for seven games. If your Plan B is not existent, a Plan A such as I outlined above can work against you.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.

You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.

Two different guys. Newton is a physically imposing man that can run over guys and take the punishment. RG3 isn't that type of physical runner. He can't carry the load like Newton can. I just don't think we should give up a lot of picks to move up to take him. If he's there at #6 then by all means.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

EarthQuake, we aren't going to see a guy do what Cam did anytime soon. That guy was just a freak and is not comparable to RGIII. Completely different players.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

What was the notion of Cam Newton this time last year? That he wasn't pro ready. We don't know what we will see from RGIII or Luck next year. For all we know they both could pass for 3,500 yards and 25 TDs.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What was the notion of Cam Newton this time last year? That he wasn't pro ready. We don't know what we will see from RGIII or Luck next year. For all we know they both could pass for 3,500 yards and 25 TDs.

Oh Cam wasn't pro ready at all. Even in the preseason he looked lost. Then for some reason he became a Pro Bowl QB. Now the Panthers are contenders in the NFC South.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Oh Cam wasn't pro ready at all. Even in the preseason he looked lost. Then for some reason he became a Pro Bowl QB. Now the Panthers are contenders in the NFC South.

Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.

Pro Bowler might not mean much but 4,757 total yards, and 35 total TD's against 17 turnovers does especially for a rookie.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I'll take that non pro ready everyday.