Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

How long has he been in the league? What has he done to warrant this attention? Don't give me pre-season. John Beck looked good in pre-season. Matt Flynn has at least looked good in his two starts. If Hoyer wasn't a FA would anyone really give a damn about him? People use the Matt Flynn was a 7th round pick. Hoyer wasn't even drafted. He's thrown 1 TD and 1 INT over 3 seasons and his career QB rating is skewed because he threw 1 pass this season. Who did Hoyer beat out to be Tom Brady's backup? Matt Gutierrez? Kevin O'Connell?, Andrew Walter? Yeah ok. Let's go give a 3rd and a 4th for him.

What people need to realize and this isn't just here, is just because hoyer is from NE doesn't mean he's the next Tom brady. Matt cassel had a good year in KC a few season s ago but now he's fighting for a job

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I just think of Brian Hoyer as the next Redskins starting QB and it pisses off. Ask the Chiefs if they regret sending that 2nd round pick for Cassell. They will be picking a QB in the 2013 1st round.

[SmootSmack]

It's ignorant to say Hoyer is a joke

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's ignorant to say Hoyer is a joke

He may not be a joke but he isn't worth a draft pick at this time. he reminds me of Beck, un-proven. He didn't show enough to stop the Patriots from drafting a qb last year. That's a fact.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

He may not be a joke but he isn't worth a draft pick at this time. he reminds me of Beck, un-proven. He didn't show enough to stop the Patriots from drafting a qb last year. That's a fact.

Will Belichick thought enough of him to have him as the only other QB on the roster in 09' and '10. That's a fact.

Hasselback on Hoyer "He's played extremely well in every single preseason game he's played in. Because the Patriots have blown people out he's played in the regular season and come in with a foot of snow on the ground and actually thrown the ball really well," Hasselbeck said, referring to a 2009 game against the Titans in which Hoyer was 9 of 11 for 52 yards and a rushing touchdown. "I find that to be impressive."

"Hasselbeck said Hoyer has an above average arm and noted that the various injuries that have kept Brady out of practice have given Hoyer plenty of time to work with the Patriots' No. 1 offense."

[biffle]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

He may not be a joke but he isn't worth a draft pick at this time. he reminds me of Beck, un-proven. He didn't show enough to stop the Patriots from drafting a qb last year. That's a fact.

Wow. They drafted someone to take his place when he leaves? Heavens, that must mean he's terrible.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by biffle

Wow. They drafted someone to take his place when he leaves? Heavens, that must mean he's terrible.

So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.

thank u.. Lets please end the Hoyer talk I'd rather have Sanchez

[biffle]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

So they drafted Mallett to replace Hoyer. They knew that they're going to trade Hoyer last year? There are so many teams wanting Hoyer that they knew that they could get a Eagle type deal in 2012? Im sorry I think we are the only site who event mentiones this guy as an option.

I also just don't think that Shannahan is going to stake his legacy and his job on an unproven player that he saw visiting Patriots camp for three days. If he is picking an unproven guy it's going to be someone he can draft and mold from day one. The stakes are too high... local media has roasted Shanny for the Grossman, Beck, McNabb fiasco. I just don't see it.

This is far from the only site that mentions him. He's come up multiple times for starters. And yes, they knew he would be an RFA this year and an UFA next. Not that any of that matters, they draft for value with all their picks and saw good value in Mallet.

They kept him as the only back-up for Tom Brady for two years, Hoyer's first two years in the league. Heading into his third year they drafted another QB to be the third stringer. Now they are debating whether to put a 1st or 2nd round tender on Hoyer as an RFA. If you look at that situation and see some kind of indictment of Hoyer's abilites from the Patriots, I would suggest you need to have your brainwaves reset somehow.

[mooby]

I don't think Hoyer is a joke but he is an unknown. What concrete evidence do we have that if given a chance, he has a solid future in this league? Who on our staff knows him? How do you a scout a player who has never seen any playing time not in the preseason? And why would an unknown be worth a third round pick?

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't think Hoyer is a joke but he is an unknown. What concrete evidence do we have that if given a chance, he has a solid future in this league? Who on our staff knows him? How do you a scout a player who has never seen any playing time not in the preseason? And why would an unknown be worth a third round pick?

You could ask the same questions about RG3 or any other QB in the draft for that matter.

I said a 3rd round picks mostly because the rumors are he will get either a 1st or 2nd round tender. Not sure if he's worth it, but I think that's what it will take.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't think Hoyer is a joke but he is an unknown. What concrete evidence do we have that if given a chance, he has a solid future in this league? Who on our staff knows him? How do you a scout a player who has never seen any playing time not in the preseason? And why would an unknown be worth a third round pick?

I think you scout young unknown QBs the same way you scout a college prospect: skill set.
Skill set is the only evidence any rookie or young unproven QB can have to suggest whether or not they'll succeed.
We know that Hoyer has shown the skillset to get drafted and make an NFL roster.
He's also shown the skillset to be the back-up QB for a well run franchise that values every spot on the roster and expects the next man up to produce.
The fact that Bellichick trust him as the back-up for his playoff team alone speaks volumes.

But in the end Hoyer is no different then Flynn or Josh Johnson or Jimmy Clausen or Tyrod Taylor or Matt Lienart or any young, journeyman or second chance QB.

Only opportunity will answer the question of whether they can handle being thee guy.

I understand the concern for the fans of this franchise if the Shanahan's choose to go the journeymen/second chance QB route.
Going after a guy like Hoyer would be an unconventional approach to addressing this team's QB need and the Shanahan has used up the cache of QB failure leeway.
If they try and use the smartest man in the room approach to address the QB position they cannot afford to get it wrong.
And the perception right or wrong is that journeyman/second chance QBs are less likely to succeed then drafted QBs.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think you scout young unknown QBs the same way you scout a college prospect: skill set.
Skill set is the only evidence any rookie or young unproven QB can have to suggest whether or not they'll succeed.
We know that Hoyer has shown the skillset to get drafted and make an NFL roster.
He's also shown the skillset to be the back-up QB for a well run franchise that values every spot on the roster and expects the next man up to produce.
The fact that Bellichick trust him as the back-up for his playoff team alone speaks volumes.

But in the end Hoyer is no different then Flynn or Josh Johnson or Jimmy Clausen or Tyrod Taylor or Matt Lienart or any young, journeyman or second chance QB.

Only opportunity will answer the question of whether they can handle being thee guy.

I understand the concern for the fans of this franchise if the Shanahan's choose to go the journeymen/second chance QB route.
Going after a guy like Hoyer would be an unconventional approach to addressing this team's QB need and the Shanahan has used up the cache of QB failure leeway.
If they try and use the smartest man in the room approach to address the QB position they cannot afford to get it wrong.
And the perception right or wrong is that journeyman/second chance QBs are less likely to succeed then drafted QBs.

Im not 100% sure, but I thought Hoyer didnt get drafted, was an UDFA

[NC_Skins]

Jsteelz @Jsteelzextreme
find it good to note that lots of scouts have Tanehill rated higher then Gabbert and Ponder last year..cant wait 4 next week guys

Found this gem to be quite interesting. Also means he's not getting out of the first round.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's ignorant to say Hoyer is a joke

Your opinion. Until I see something to change my mind I stand by my statement of him and trading two picks to get him a joke.