Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by celts32

Exactly. It baffles me that a fan base that has not had a franchise QB in almost 30 years is worried about 3 draft picks. We are still building the right way. Giving up 3 extra draft picks to solve a generation long QB problem does not mean that Vinny is coming back...

It's not necessarily 3 extra picks. One or two of those picks could turn into a couple of more picks with trading down in future drafts and so forth. So, what appears to be only 3 extra high round picks could turn into 5 or 6 possible draft picks.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

It's not necessarily 3 extra picks. One or two of those picks could turn into a couple of more picks with trading down in future drafts and so forth. So, what appears to be only 3 extra high round picks could turn into 5 or 6 possible draft picks.

Thats highly speculative. A trade down is not always available when you want it. Regardless that's not really the point. I don't care how many picks it is...I want the QB problem solved LONG TERM. The teams that win consistently in this league are the ones with the franchise QB's. We need to get one if we want to be something more then a surprise playoff team every now and then.

Say we get Manning and become a playoff team drafting in the 20's for 2 years. When the 2 or 3 years are up we are right back where we started from with no QB and we have drafted so low that prospects as good as RG3 are out of our reach. At that same time with RG3 we could be off and running with our franchise QB who is just hitting his prime. In my opinion the Manning move only pays off if they win the Super Bowl with him and i am not willing to bank the future on it.

[SBXVII]

[QUOTE=celts32;884289]Thats highly speculative. A trade down is not always available when you want it. Regardless that's not really the point. I don't care how many picks it is...I want the QB problem solved LONG TERM. The teams that win consistently in this league are the ones with the franchise QB's. We need to get one if we want to be something more then a surprise playoff team every now and then.
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Just like trading up is just as speculative. There is a lot of unknowns,

What are the Rams asking for? not what we think it should be but what are the Rams asking for?

Are the Rams even willing to trade? maybe they want RGIII?

I think we all want the QB position locked up LONG TERM. But there is no guarentee with RGIII either. Which is why I'm not up for tossing 4+ picks at just one person in hopes he is and possibly later finding out he's not. Now if this was Drew Brees, or Eli Manning or an already established proven QB then I'm all in and would throw 4+ draft picks for the team to get him.

[celts32]

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Originally Posted by celts32

Thats highly speculative. A trade down is not always available when you want it. Regardless that's not really the point. I don't care how many picks it is...I want the QB problem solved LONG TERM. The teams that win consistently in this league are the ones with the franchise QB's. We need to get one if we want to be something more then a surprise playoff team every now and then.
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Just like trading up is just as speculative. There is a lot of unknowns,

What are the Rams asking for? not what we think it should be but what are the Rams asking for?

Are the Rams even willing to trade? maybe they want RGIII?

I think we all want the QB position locked up LONG TERM. But there is no guarentee with RGIII either. Which is why I'm not up for tossing 4+ picks at just one person in hopes he is and possibly later finding out he's not. Now if this was Drew Brees, or Eli Manning or an already established proven QB then I'm all in and would throw 4+ draft picks for the team to get him.

Okay so we will continue on the wait for a QB to fall from the sky plan. Everything is a risk...there are no guarantees...but the only thing thats certain is that we are not winning until we find a QB.

To answer your question...if the Rams don't want to trade and want to draft RG3 for themselves then I would do 3 cartwheels and offer them the #6 pick for Bradford.

[SBXVII]

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Okay so we will continue on the wait for a QB to fall from the sky plan. Everything is a risk...there are no guarantees...but the only thing thats certain is that we are not winning until we find a QB.

To answer your question...if the Rams don't want to trade and want to draft RG3 for themselves then I would do 3 cartwheels and offer them the #6 pick for Bradford.

No, rumor last week was the Shanahans were not really infatuated with any of the QB's this year other then Luck and he will be taken by the Colts. They were interested in Barkely but as we all know he stayed in college.

Now there are several ways to build a team and a couple of the most common is to take a QB, then build around him. If this was the Shanahan's first year I'd argue for this method. However there is another way in which the team builds the OL and gets all the supporting cast then pulls the trigger on a QB who will not have as big a learning curve because the supporting cast is already in place. Since we've already waisted 2 years collecting talent and not getting our "franchise" QB, on top of that the coaching staff not infatuated with the QB class, I could see this team taking another year to collect their weapons and next year going all in for Barkely.

and no, if the Rams don't think he's franchise material why would we want him? clearly he was a high draft pick that they couldn't get to work out. So why do we want to waist our time with him. Unless you want to go through another Grossman or Beck situation.