Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by biffle

I don't think anyone is "God's gift" and I'm not sure what the point of a lame comment like that is. If you don't like him as a prospect, that's fine. I do, as do plenty of other people. We can disagree, but rest assured, I don't need you to tell me what "my problem" is.



Manning's passer ratings by age:
28- 121.1
29- 104.1
30- 101
31- 98
32- 95
33- 99.9
34- 91.9

A pretty clear downward trajectory there, and that number for his last year would have been good for only 7th best in the NFC this season.

People decline physically as they get older. It's not exactly controversial to say that. And taking a year off and having multiple surgeries aren't exactly elixirs for that.



Ah, so once there was a terrible GM who didn't know what he was doing, so all Free Agent spending is bad. Brilliant. Does that also apply to Gibbs' Washington-Springs-Griffin-Daniels-Moss spending spree that was the basis for two playoff runs? How about the Patriots first Super Bowl win after signing about 20 FAs? There are smart ways and dumb ways to spend money, just like there are dumb ways to do most anything.

For the record, why don't you look at GTripp's breakdown of our cap space. People keep throwing these numbers around and thinking that we are going to have trouble figuring out what to do with all the cap space. Once we re-sign our own and our draft picks, that space turns into a much more pedestrian number.



Thank goodness we don't have a FO that thinks of things so simplistically.



Yeah, I'll take Ryan and his future any day, thank you.

Sanchez had only one year of starting in college, which is a huge red flag. He also had an arrest on his record, and other maturity questions.

Those are numbers we have never seen in D.C..

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Those are numbers we have never seen in D.C..

Even if he had a "steep decline" to 85, that's still pretty damn good. I just want a QB that doesn't force balls and either can a) throw the ball away or b) have enough strength to hang onto it if they're getting sacked.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Even if he had a "steep decline" to 85, that's still pretty damn good.

An 85 passer rating is basically what Campbell was doing here.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by biffle

An 85 passer rating is basically what Campbell was doing here.

I'd have been fine if he stayed too. He was behind what could have been considered one of the worst lines in Redskins history. All I ask for is an improvement in QB play. If it's Peyton, that's an improvement, even if he drops off. If it's Orton, Flynn, Hoyer, me, I don't care... my main thing is that I don't want to gift up draft picks.

[irish]

Originally Posted by biffle

An 85 passer rating is basically what Campbell was doing here.

Anything Campbell did for the good was done in garbage time after the game was essentially over.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by biffle

An 85 passer rating is basically what Campbell was doing here.

I could be way off in my thinking but I think your comparing a QB that probably threw a ton of balls and completed 85% (PM), compared to a QB who had more of a running game and was not asked to throw the ball as much but had close to an 85% rating for the few balls he did throw (JC). How does that matter? I don't think if JC had to throw as many balls his % would have been lower.

Again I could be wrong for all you stat driven people.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Those are numbers we have never seen in D.C..

No, but there's really no reason to believe we'd see them in DC from Manning, either.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by biffle

No, but there's really no reason to believe we'd see them in DC from Manning, either.

Why not? Let's assume that Peyton comes back healthy, maybe limited strength-wise, but still have that brain and leadership. We have a very similar receiving corps to the Colts. System might be very different, but I'd imagine Manning would have just a touch of autonomy in this offense.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Why not? Let's assume that Peyton comes back healthy, maybe limited strength-wise, but still have that brain and leadership. We have a very similar receiving corps to the Colts. System might be very different, but I'd imagine Manning would have just a touch of autonomy in this offense.

Why would you assume a player is going to be as good at 36 as he was at 34? And after a year off, multiple surgeries and a change of teams? And I wouldn't agree that our receivers, or pass protection for that matter, are as good as he had in Indy.

But even if he were to get back to that level, my point was more aimed at the totality of his numbers. As much as I think it is unwise to bet on him being as good as he was before the year off, I would say it's doubly or triply foolish to think he's going to go back to what he was in his prime years.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by biffle

Why would you assume a player is going to be as good at 36 as he was at 34? And after a year off, multiple surgeries and a change of teams? And I wouldn't agree that our receivers, or pass protection for that matter, are as good as he had in Indy.

But even if he were to get back to that level, my point was more aimed at the totality of his numbers. As much as I think it is unwise to bet on him being as good as he was before the year off, I would say it's doubly or triply foolish to think he's going to go back to what he was in his prime years.

I don't assume that. I DO assume he would be a significant upgrade from what we currently have AND that upgrade would come without giving up draft picks. If he's totally cleared medically to play, I would absolutely bet on him being significantly better than what we currently at QB. Manning from the past? Probably not. I just know that he'd be better than Flynn, Orton or whoever else we can pick up in FA.

NOW, if RGIII falls to us, that's who I want.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't assume that. I DO assume he would be a significant upgrade from what we currently have AND that upgrade would come without giving up draft picks. If he's totally cleared medically to play, I would absolutely bet on him being significantly better than what we currently at QB. Manning from the past? Probably not. I just know that he'd be better than Flynn, Orton or whoever else we can pick up in FA.

NOW, if RGIII falls to us, that's who I want.

I was just answering your question of why I didn't think there was any reason to expect to see Manning's old numbers in DC.