Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?


Which would you choose?


Package A:

1) RGIII


Package B:
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)





That's about what you'll have to pay to get RGIII. SO tell me, which would you chose? Put your mancrush down and think sensible. Knowing the holes we have, would you honestly give up all that for RGIII? If you whiff on that pick, you are screwed for many many years to come. You whiff on Cousins, and you pick up a QB later on and still have a solid team.

Package B all day....ERRR DAY.

I'll take the latter as well. All day everyday and twice on Sundays ( and into watching football in Jan and maybe Feb. )

[Mahons21]

Why is RG3 considered such a sure-fire prospect, I keep reading posts (albeit many of them from ES) that mention RG3 and Luck in the same breathe, as if these guys aren't that far apart.

I love RG3 and he's exciting to watch, but I'm not about to glance over the fact that he comes from a spread offense. RG3 has little to no practice in going through progressions/making post-snap reads. This may be me being a little tough on him, but I see a QB that stares down one side of the field, waits until a man gets open and if he doesn't feel a man is going to get open he takes off from the pocket running.

That doesn't sound like the type of football that would translate well to the NFL. Could it? Certainly, and it has before. But I can't see why he's consider a sure-fire pick.

RG3's floor in my opinion is a bust, he could literally flop out of the NFL. While Luck's on the other hand is probably that of an average to above average QB. So long as Luck stays healthy I expect him to be a starting QB his entire career, I can't say the same for RG3.

I may just be preaching to the choir, but if anyone out there is of the mind-set that RG3 should be uttered in the same breathe as Luck, or believes he's a sure-fire prospect, I would like to hear the reasoning why.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mahons21

Why is RG3 considered such a sure-fire prospect, I keep reading posts (albeit many of them from ES) that mention RG3 and Luck in the same breathe, as if these guys aren't that far apart.

I love RG3 and he's exciting to watch, but I'm not about to glance over the fact that he comes from a spread offense. RG3 has little to no practice in going through progressions/making post-snap reads. This may be me being a little tough on him, but I see a QB that stares down one side of the field, waits until a man gets open and if he doesn't feel a man is going to get open he takes off from the pocket running.

That doesn't sound like the type of football that would translate well to the NFL. Could it? Certainly, and it has before. But I can't see why he's consider a sure-fire pick.

RG3's floor in my opinion is a bust, he could literally flop out of the NFL. While Luck's on the other hand is probably that of an average to above average QB. So long as Luck stays healthy I expect him to be a starting QB his entire career, I can't say the same for RG3.

I may just be preaching to the choir, but if anyone out there is of the mind-set that RG3 should be uttered in the same breathe as Luck, or believes he's a sure-fire prospect, I would like to hear the reasoning why.

I'm not going to really answer your question here I don't think...but I'm of the opinion, and this may sound crazy, that in many ways Luck is severely underrated...underappreciated...whatever the right word is. He's not an electrifying dazzling player but he just gets it done and he does it seemingly so effortlessly that when you put his highlights against someone as electrifying as RG3 can be, then the admiration for RG3 skyrockets.

It's kind of like there was a time when everyone loved the dazzling shortstop abilities of Ozzie Smith as he dove and flipped everywhere, but no one really appreciated that Cal Ripken just knew where to be so he wouldn't necessarily have to dive everywhere

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mahons21

I may just be preaching to the choir, but if anyone out there is of the mind-set that RG3 should be uttered in the same breathe as Luck, or believes he's a sure-fire prospect, I would like to hear the reasoning why.

This topic could fill an entire thread of its own.
But without being long-winded and getting into a specific breakdown of each of their skillsets.
In sum: for me when I try to separate the QB from the scheme and surrounding talent, Griffin would grade out higher in more areas then Luck.

Griffin's superlatives are innate and I personally place more value on a QBs innate abilities then coaching/scheme derived abilities.
And imo many of Luck perceived superlatives are coachable.
I believe that most prospects have the best coaching of their lives ahead of them.
But Luck as a product of outstanding QB coaching/system (Harbaugh)+his own above average talent is closer to reaching his potential then Griffin.

BTW-welcome to the forum

[Mahons21]

Originally Posted by 30gut

This topic could fill an entire thread of its own.
But without being long-winded and getting into a specific breakdown of each of their skillsets.
In sum: for me when I try to separate the QB from the scheme and surrounding talent, Griffin would grade out higher in more areas then Luck.

I agree with this, however doesn't Cam newton grade out higher in more areas than Manning in his prime? To be accurate I believe you would have to grade each aspect of their games on a scale, and then add the grades up to see who has a higher score.

Griffin's superlatives are innate and I personally place more value on a QBs innate abilities then coaching/scheme derived abilities.
And imo many of Luck perceived superlatives are coachable.
I believe that most prospects have the best coaching of their lives ahead of them.
But Luck as a product of outstanding QB coaching/system (Harbaugh)+his own above average talent is closer to reaching his potential then Griffin.

Fair enough, thanks for offering your opinion.

BTW-welcome to the forum

Appreciate it, everyone around here has been very welcoming and the wealth of football knowledge that can be learned on this website is fully on display.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mahons21

I agree with this, however doesn't Cam newton grade out higher in more areas than Manning in his prime? To be accurate I believe you would have to grade each aspect of their games on a scale, and then add the grades up to see who has a higher score.

When Peyton was a QB prospect I didn't follow QB play closely enough to render an opinion.
But, Cam does grade out very high for me higher then both Griffin and Luck.
I agree about the scale, but don't you rememeber? That's how we did it last year.
The closer look series of threads that ended with group eval/rankings.

Oh, btw I'm DG on extremeskins.

[Mahons21]

Originally Posted by 30gut

When Peyton was a QB prospect I didn't follow QB play closely enough to render an opinion.
But, Cam does grade out very high for me higher then both Griffin and Luck.
I agree about the scale, but don't you rememeber? That's how we did it last year.
The closer look series of threads that ended with group eval/rankings.

Ya I remember them for sure, one of the few worth-while threads on ES. I was thinking about doing one with Tannehill, his NW cut-up is online, but I haven't found any others.

Oh, btw I'm DG on extremeskins.

I had a feeling.