Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm going to steal your scenarios Dirt and add a few things...

Offseason Plan with Peyton:
Sign Peyton
Sign Marques Colston
Trade Down and pickup DeCastro (OG) in the first
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball (tackle or WR).

Offseason Plan with RGIII
Sign Vincent Jackson
Sign FA Vet QB bridge
Sign Ben Grubbs (OG)
Get an upgrade from Brown at RT.
Trade 2012 and 2013 First, 2012 second for RGIII (I don't think two firsts is going to cut it)
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense

Why Marques Colston with Peyton, but Vincent Jackson with RG3? Just variety? Or something more design-oriented?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why Marques Colston with Peyton, but Vincent Jackson with RG3? Just variety? Or something more design-oriented?

I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

There you go!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

Same here. Plus, a healthy Manning throwing to Colston would probably mean similar production as he had in New Orleans.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Same here. Plus, a healthy Manning throwing to Colston would probably mean similar production as he had in New Orleans.

I personally think that Peyton and Wayne are a packaged deal. It'll be one of those things Peyton will dictate to whichever team signs him. Also keep in mind the Skins were pretty interested in Wayne last time he was set to become a free agent.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I personally think that Peyton and Wayne are a packaged deal. It'll be one of those things Peyton will dictate to whichever team signs him. Also keep in mind the Skins were pretty interested in Wayne last time he was set to become a free agent.

Yeah like 5 years ago before MS and BA were here. But there may be some truth about Wayne and PM being a package deal. Personally I would rather have one of the younger FA WRs like Colston or Bowe.

Originally Posted by GMScud

He'll be 29 when the season starts. I like him, but I also wonder how much of his success is a function of Drew Brees and that offense. I'll put it this way, I don't think his best years are ahead of him.

Yeah but do you think there would be much of a drop off between Brees and Manning? I would understand this argument if we were having a rookie like RG3 or Orton throwing to Colston. My only concern about Colston is his health. Otherwise, I think the guy is a beast, without the attitude issues that Bowe has or the off field troubles that VJax has.

[Dirtbag59]

Damn, I mean Wayne is good but Peyton's arm is ridiculous.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah like 5 years ago before MS and BA were here. But there may be some truth about Wayne and PM being a package deal. Personally I would rather have one of the younger FA WRs like Colston or Bowe.




Yeah but do you think there would be much of a drop off between Brees and Manning? I would understand this argument if we were having a rookie like RG3 or Orton throwing to Colston. My only concern about Colston is his health. Otherwise, I think the guy is a beast, without the attitude issues that Bowe has or the off field troubles that VJax has.

Well, IF Peyton is who he's always been, then no, I don't think there would be much of a drop off. I just have serious doubts he'll ever have the arm he did pre-neck fusion surgery. I mean, he apparently can't throw to his left and has no velocity.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

Also this. The only thing I don't like is Colston's age. I hope I'm wrong on this but I believe he's 28 or 29, and his injury history doesn't bode well for his future. When healthy he's a very solid wideout.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

Also this. The only thing I don't like is Colston's age. I hope I'm wrong on this but I believe he's 28 or 29, and his injury history doesn't bode well for his future. When healthy he's a very solid wideout.

He'll be 29 when the season starts. I like him, but I also wonder how much of his success is a function of Drew Brees and that offense. I'll put it this way, I don't think his best years are ahead of him.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GMScud

He'll be 29 when the season starts. I like him, but I also wonder how much of his success is a function of Drew Brees and that offense. I'll put it this way, I don't think his best years are ahead of him.

That's a very important question too. I would hope if we signed Manning he'd be able to duplicate his production. But the question of how successful he'll be without Brees won't be able to be answered before he signs with another team. Quite honestly I'm not a big fan of this FA WR class. There are playmakers in it, but I don't see any of them having a long term future of the team that signs them. And all have significant question marks. That's why if we do upgrade wide receiver, I hope we go the draft route.

But if we did sign Manning, I wouldn't be opposed to Colston too much simply because Colston should be able to be productive while Manning plays, which I'd be comfortable with. I don't think Colston is one of those guys who can play into his late 30's though.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

That's a very important question too. I would hope if we signed Manning he'd be able to duplicate his production. But the question of how successful he'll be without Brees won't be able to be answered before he signs with another team. Quite honestly I'm not a big fan of this FA WR class. There are playmakers in it, but I don't see any of them having a long term future of the team that signs them. And all have significant question marks. That's why if we do upgrade wide receiver, I hope we go the draft route.

But if we did sign Manning, I wouldn't be opposed to Colston too much simply because Colston should be able to be productive while Manning plays, which I'd be comfortable with. I don't think Colston is one of those guys who can play into his late 30's though.

What about, assuming we sign PM, drafting our #1 WR at 6? Seems like every season a rookie WR busts the conventional wisdom it takes years to adjust to the pros. Is Julio Jones worth a 6th overall pick?

Indeed.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

He'll be 29 when the season starts. I like him, but I also wonder how much of his success is a function of Drew Brees and that offense. I'll put it this way, I don't think his best years are ahead of him.

Damn it I didn't see this when I posted the same thing...you're super smart though scud keep up the good work!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Also this. The only thing I don't like is Colston's age. I hope I'm wrong on this but I believe he's 28 or 29, and his injury history doesn't bode well for his future. When healthy he's a very solid wideout.

Good points. Colston could also be more of a product of his specific system than VJax or Bowe as well. Those guys possess superior athleticism to Colston IMO.

...really tough call though. I don't envy our front office when it comes to legitimizing our WR corp. QB is easy though I could pick winners at that all day long