Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[mredskins]

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.

Never said we are a SB contender but a playoff team? I think with Manning YES we are a 9-10 win team

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.

Thank you...it takes a group effort to keep this place from descending into total insanity lol.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Thank you...it takes a group effort to keep this place from descending into total insanity lol.

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

All good points but even with PM this team is still pretty far away fro mthe Giants. You have a lot if that if this happens scenrios going on that quite honestly are not going to be fixed over night.

Now after the draft and FA, lets see then maybe this team is looking more like a polished turd, right now it is just a turd not diarrhea but a turd, maybe not even a smelly turd but definitely not a polished turd right now.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

I agree with that.
I bet our defense will be even better next year.
If we did have a happy/healthy Manning and a real #1 wide receiver I dont see why we couldnt hope to win 10+ games next year.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

SHHHHHH. Your optimism has got to be killing those fans who don't want to see anything but doom and gloom. You also wrecking their thought that we are so far away we need to get RGIII in order to get out of this hole. Because even though he has not done anything to establish himself in the NFL he's the franchise QB we need. Even though he's not a franchise QB yet.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

SHHHHHH. Your optimism has got to be killing those fans who don't want to see anything but doom and gloom. You also wrecking their thought that we are so far away we need to get RGIII in order to get out of this hole. Because even though he has not done anything to establish himself in the NFL he's the franchise QB we need. Even though he's not a franchise QB yet.

I don't consider my post above to be optimistic. I see it as realism. How quickly we forget that the Super Bowl winner went 9-7 in the regular season and other such facts.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't consider my post above to be optimistic. I see it as realism. How quickly we forget that the Super Bowl winner went 9-7 in the regular season and other such facts.

I know some here have gotten defensive about their comments... but friend I'm on your side. I maybe more optimistic then you but I agree with what you said. I'm just using a little sarcasm in regards to the people who say we are far off.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.

Manning had a really good offensive line early on, but in the last couple of seasons they were not that great. To me it seems that over the past couple of seasons, a lot of pundits kept saying that the Colts needed to upgrade their line. For some reason, the Colts never did, and when they did they had a couple of misfires in their picks.

A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?

I agree with you 100%. For those here who think our team is way too bad to attract manning, or that this team would not benefit much just from adding a quarterback, i say youre out of your minds.

the colts with Manning historically win about 12 games year - no matter who the coach is. manning makes average receivers, average running backs, and below average offensive linemen look GREAT. Receivers, running backs, and tight ends who leave indy never amount to anything. Manning turns his supporting cast into playmakers, not the other way around. Manning, no matter how humble he may seem, knows this. He won't discount a team like washington because we dont have enough "playmakers."

Without Manning, the Colts are 2-14. Without Manning, we are 5-11. Without Manning, we were outscored by our oppenents an average of 3.125 points per game. Think about that. Even with "no receivers," "no offenive line," "a weak running game," and a quarterack who averages atleast 2 interceptions per game at critical junctures, we were within about one field goal from being able to win most of our games. Does anyone here think that, on average, Manning would not atleast give us one more touchdown and one less turnover than grossman per game? even if he's not 100% the manning of old?

Say what you want about our talent and coaching staff, but we are most certainly a better coached and more talented team than the Colts. We have a defense that would not constantly put him in holes, as his defense historically did in indy. In my opinion,if Manning came here, we would be a 12 win team immediately. We could WIN while we groom a young QB for the future. There is ZERO downside to signing a healthy peyton manning. We should do whatever we need to to acquire him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

I dig your optimism mooby. Our defense, at its best, is nothing like the best defenses in the league, including the Giants'. That defense is pretty inconsistent over the course of an entire season but when they start to click they're easily a top 3 defense. At our very, very best we might break the top 10...but it's a stretch.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I dig your optimism mooby. Our defense, at its best, is nothing like the best defenses in the league, including the Giants'. That defense is pretty inconsistent over the course of an entire season but when they start to click they're easily a top 3 defense. At our very, very best we might break the top 10...but it's a stretch.

I'm glad you say that because it's better then the Patriots who had I think the worst or close to it yardage wise. People just couldn't score on them. Teams kinda had the same problem with the Skins.

I know it's going to kill you but lets look at the bright side.... our offense was good enough to beat the Giants twice and our defense kept Eli in check in both games we played.

I'll say it again. It's amazing how far apart this fan base is on how close the team is to being a winner.