Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This team blows because we have had sorry a$$ QBs that can't score. But when you are losing 4 to 6 games by 7-8 pts. it is frustrating, because that is a small margin of victory. All people are saying here is that a healthy Manning with some additions (that would occur since we don't have to trade the farm to move up) would make this a winning team.

Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team.

NFL Average Margin of Victory by Decade
Decade Avg MOV 1940s 15.24 1950s 13.67 1960s 13.39 1970s 12.37 1980s 11.67 1990s 11.41 2000s 11.80
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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team.

Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team. I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team. I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.

What? If we had Manning on our team last year we would have played every down with 10 men. How could we have had a better record?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

What? If we had Manning on our team last year we would have played every down with 10 men. How could we have had a better record?

I meant Manning with last year's roster, with no additions and whatnot. Better?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I meant Manning with last year's roster, with no additions and whatnot. Better?

I know I was pulling your chain.

I think a argument could be made if we have left in Rex we would have finished 9-7.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team. I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.

That was also incredibly stupid because Cutler was very overvalued in the spring of 2009. He still has been unable to replicate (or get close to) his 2008 season.

Yet, there would still be defenders of that hypothetical deal that would point out that Cutler would be the best QB on our roster today. That is true, but more because of the systematic mismanagement of the roster against not having better options available.

Even before Shanahan, Zorn made a number of questionable decisions come August that always seemed to leave the Redskins lacking in depth. I mean, Vinny signed Jeremy Bridges, Zorn cut him. That was less than 3 months after cutting Jansen as well. A bunch of people were surprised at the time that they kept D'Anthony Batiste, who didn't last the season. What I'm saying is: this is a problem that would appear to be bigger than the quarterback, and bigger than the head coach. Everyone complains about not having depth -- and how that is responsible for sub-.500 performance -- but is anyone really doing anything about it?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team.

NFL Average Margin of Victory by Decade
Decade Avg MOV 1940s 15.24 1950s 13.67 1960s 13.39 1970s 12.37 1980s 11.67 1990s 11.41 2000s 11.80
Statistical tour de douche: history of the NFL elite | Cold Hard Football Facts

By your own argument, if Peyton Manning is worth 7 points a game (either through offensive scores or fewer turnovers), we will win 4-6 more games. That would make us a playoff contender.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

By your own argument, if Peyton Manning is worth 7 points a game (either through offensive scores or fewer turnovers), we will win 4-6 more games. That would make us a playoff contender.

I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.

Of course you never said that PM was worth 7 points a game.

But if he is worth 7 points a game, your argument puts us in the playoffs.