Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.

This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them.

Plus keep in mind QB's take time to develop. So say we get everything in place. Line, defense, receivers, running back. Then after all that we draft a QB. By the time that QB fully develops all those supporting players will be either near the end of their prime or past it. Pretty much every supporting position has a much quicker turnaround time then any rookie QB.

It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them.

Plus keep in mind QB's take time to develop. So say we get everything in place. Line, defense, receivers, running back. Then after all that we draft a QB. By the time that QB fully develops all those supporting players will be either near the end of their prime or past it. Pretty much every supporting position has a much quicker turnaround time then any rookie QB.

It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.

Money shot. My thoughts exactly...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

It is exponentially easier to find 2 Ryan Kerrigan's and a Leonard Hankerson then it is to find a franchise QB.

Is it though? There are about 10-ish team that have that stability at quarterback and only one really (Pittsburgh) that drafts and develops a pass rusher every year and routinely finds pro bowl receivers in the third round. Maybe the sampling is inconsistent, but it would seem that it's much easier to find a top QB with a first round pick than it is to consistently hit on players at premium positions elsewhere.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

This is the time though. If last year, heck the last decade, is any indication it's that this team will go no where without a QB.

I can understand passing on Blaine Gabbert but in our division we need a QB to compete with the likes of Romo, Manning, and Vick. Griffin is capable of not only playing to their level but surpassing them. .

So let's just abandon that long term plan that could set us up for future just to blow it on a mere chance?...lol


I'm just glad you guys don't handle my finances. When you have everything set, you can take those types of gambles. When you are broke and scraping for money, you don't take those types of gambles. We are broke and scraping guys. This isn't a 1 player away from greatness team. This is a "still needing a lot of talent and depth" to be a contender on a regular basis.

If we had a little more depth and talent, I would have no problem going for that risk. Doing so now could set us back big time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

We are broke and scraping guys.

Welcome to the dark side.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So let's just abandon that long term plan that could set us up for future to come just to blow it on a mere chance?...lol


I'm just glad you guys don't handle my finances. When you have everything set, you can take those types of gambles. When you are broke and scraping for money, you don't take those types of gambles. We are broke and scraping guys. This isn't a 1 player away from greatness team. This is a "still needing a lot of talent depth" to be a contender on a regular basis.

If we had a little more depth and talent, I would have no problem going for that risk. Doing so now could set us back big time.

Getting a QB that will make you a contender for the next decade is not abandoning the long term plan especially when the net cost is two starters at best.

If anything not pulling the trigger on a prospect like Griffin is killing the long term plan. With scouting improving by leaps and bounds these diamond in the rough QB's are getting harder and harder to find so when you have a Griffin in your crosshairs you pull the trigger.

Like I said before by the time you're ready to pull the trigger on a QB all that depth and talent you built up will be on the backside of their career. And all we'll really have to show for passing on the chance to trade up for Griffin will be three or four solid starters, assuming we hit on all three of the picks it would cost for the trade up.

This is the NFC East. A division with 3 pro bowl QB's. You don't win it by spending years trying to recreate the hogs and having Kyle Orton or Rex Grossman handing off the ball to random Shanahan back 8b.

You want to talk about finances fine. RGIII is the Google IPO. Sure the $100 a share price is steep. However when it's at $700 a share three years later you'll be happy you invested.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Getting a QB that will make you a contender for the next decade is not abandoning the long term plan especially when the net cost is two starters at best.

If anything not pulling the trigger on a prospect like Griffin is killing the long term plan. With scouting improving by leaps and bounds these diamond in the rough QB's are getting harder and harder to find so when you have a Griffin in your crosshairs you pull the trigger.

Apparently you haven't been keeping up with Smoot's reports on how the Redskins feel about RGIII. They like him, but not enough to sell the farm.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Apparently you haven't been keeping up with Smoot's reports on how the Redskins feel about RGIII. They like him, but not enough to sell the farm.

And there are sources that point to the Redskins going after Griffin. Granted I would bet on them signing Peyton at this point but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that they will trade up for RGIII.

According to Carol Ross Joynt of the Washingtonian, Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene was overheard telling people at a luncheon that a new quarterback has been chosen “and fans will be elated.” He said the players name won’t be revealed until April’s NFL draft.

Haslett “Insider” Confirms Chat « CBS DC

Denny posted numerous tidbits, including the Skins not being interested in free agent QB Matt Flynn, their strong interest in trading up to the second overall pick and more. Haslett has come out and denied the story, which Denny understands.

Denny, a pastor, went on to defend himself from critics who don’t believe his story, admitting he only thought he was only writing to “two or three hundred friends of mine.”

They are strongly considering trading up with St. Louis Rams. He said, they have already talked with Jeff Fisher about the possibility. He did not elaborate on the details, other than to say they had talked with Fisher and are serious about getting a good QB. So again, I am eating crow, since I thought the Redskins would trade down for extra picks. They are not trading down, since they do not believe the QB's in the later rounds are talented enough to lead the team. Haslett believes the team is good enough to win, if they just had one of the two talented QB's at top.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

To be clear, I doubt Beathard regrets trading up for Ryan Leaf (he took a risk after all), but that doesn't mean I would recommend he do it again.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

They would have won 4 with Rivers and those picks they traded to San Diego

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

They would have won 4 with Rivers and those picks they traded to San Diego

I think they would have been better with Rivers, but if you believe the reports, the guy they were going to take at no. 4 was Roethlisberger.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.

I feel ya, I completely agree. If we keep up what we have been doing and not draft a young stud, all of our key/young players will be past their prime and have to be replaced by the time we do. Not much reward comes with no risk