Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[Dirtbag59]

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clay Matthews career sacks: 29.5
Brian Orakpo career sacks: 28.5

Who do you want to be your quarterback?

Tim Tebow...who else?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Tim Tebow...who else?

Just wait a year.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just wait a year.

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years and a prison term to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

I couldn't agree more! I believe that RGIII will have the same effect on our rushing offense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Nah, in all seriousness RGIII. And for him I'm more then willing to do the Eli trade. I saw how effective the running game in Atlanta was off bootlegs with Michael Vick, running lanes wide open and not because of blocking but fear of the QB hitting the edge and breaking off a big game leaving Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett looking like pro bowl backs.

I can only imagine how that would work here in Washington, especially considering the fact that RGIII won't need 10 years to learn how to pass in the NFL.

Andrew Luck would be great but we would have to hit on a lot more then two or three draft picks to equal the impact someone like RGIII will bring to this franchise for the next decade.

I understand that Griffin is going to go a lot higher in the draft, but I have a hard time rectifying that with not wanting to grab a Jason Campbell or Patrick Ramsey level prospect, because while Griffin is exciting and everything and a Heisman winner, Campbell and Ramsey were really highly regarded as well coming out. I mean, not Andrew Luck regarded (I was anticipating you responding with Luck), but nothing that's being said about Griffin's upside now hasn't been said about past QB prospects drafted by the Redskins in the first round. I promise you that the need to change the QB every year is not for lack of trying to find a long term solution.

I think the Griffin hype is very justified, and he adds the element of the highlight reel play (which Campbell and Ramsey were never going to give you), but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.

A proposition to give up multiple drafts and get Andrew Luck? Now that would be a change in organizational philosophy from the past -- aside from being nearly impossible to execute.

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Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler? No Orakpo, no Trent Williams, maybe no Kerrigan, and you'd have a quarterback who is somewhere between the tenth and twentieth best player at his profession in the world. But on the plus side, you would have saved the picks that went into the McNabb trade, and might have made the postseason in 2010? Although that last part might be wishful thinking.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

but at the end of the day, drafting a first round quarterback who isn't the consensus no. 1 QB in the draft is the same road the Redskins have been on.

I wonder how often the consensus top QB actually proves to be the top QB? 50%?
I think skill set of QB we drafted wasn't the issue holding this team back as much as the team itself was the issue.
I can't imagine drafting Aaron Rodgers would have made a meaningful difference here then Jason Campbell because the Aaron Rodgers that we know was drafted into a good situation with a strong FO with a clear team vision, quality personnel, with a stable offensive minded QB friendly HC and got to sit for a couple/few years and develop in that system.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Out of curiosity, do you think the Redskins would be better off today if they had beaten the Bears' price to get Cutler?

Nope.
Like you mention the team itself would actually be worse.
No Orkapo, no Trent Williams and we can't imagine that Synder through Vinny C as his proxy would have made suddenly started making sound personnel decisons.

Can you imagine how Cutler would have reacted amidst the nightmare that was the personnel, FO and coaching staff management when Campbell was here?

I think the perception of Cutler would be even worse now then it is already.

btw-I think Culter is one of the most talented QBs in the NFL but going to Chicago has lowered his statistical progression and many fans think he's a lesser QB because of it.
But over the past 2 years (I watch a lot of Bears football) Cutler has been playing some darn good football behind an OL that takes an almost stupid amount of toughness to play behind.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I swear it's like some of you don't want to draft a QB until we have 5 all-pro offensive lineman (all home grown draft picks of course), a 1,000 yard rusher, a pro bowl receiver, and a pro bowl Tight End. Or you want to draft a QB but God forbid we go after one of the guys that has a good chance of being successful. No we'd rather go after a Jason Campbell or a Patrick Ramsey level prospect and we all know how much everyone loved him during his time here.

Building the perfect team sans QB only works in a Brett Favre situation like Minnesota a couple of years ago. Where all the parts are there and the veteran QB just steps in and helps the team compete for a Super Bowl. With a rookie QB you need enough pieces in place to prevent him from getting killed but not so much that the team isn't going to be together by the time you're ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

And what are we really giving up with packaging draft picks to move up? The next Laron Landry? Brian Orakpo is struggling to get to double digit sacks. Ryan Kerrigan is good but he isn't a game changer. Why are we so damn attached to our first round picks? Rocky McIntosh? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? How many of our high draft picks have kept us out of the cellar?

I know we need to draft and build a core but this captain check down draft strategy is not going to do squat when it comes to winning a freaking Super Bowl. Something the Giants have won twice since 2007.

Mmm. This.