Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Did anyone change their mind after his 40 time?

I didn't.

Honestly my mind was changed when I saw his last couple of college games. I expected him to blow everybody away with his 40 time. Was very impressed with it, but wasn't shocked.

[tmandoug1]

I took a look at Baylors schedule last year and I was not impressed, I am not going for the hype, I would like to see us keep our picks this year, maybe look for a Cousins/Weeden/Keenum later in the draft but do not trade down, and let the Manning drama play out.

Flame on.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

I took a look at Baylors schedule last year and I was not impressed, I am not going for the hype, I would like to see us keep our picks this year, maybe look for a Cousins/Weeden/Keenum later in the draft but do not trade down, and let the Manning drama play out.

Flame on.

Yeah, lets just suck another year and have no hope of getting better. Maybe that will put us in line to get Barkley.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Yeah, lets just suck another year and have no hope of getting better. Maybe that will put us in line to get Barkley.

and....here's another pet peve... I guess RGIII is the only real good QB and if we don't go get him we might as well chalk it up to another suckfest of a year. Hey any chance you can e-mail all the other QB's and tell them they might as well pull their names out of the draft hat since they suck and to not waist anymore of anyones time. That would help considerably for the Skins to be forced to have to go after RGIII.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

and....here's another pet peve... I guess RGIII is the only real good QB and if we don't go get him we might as well chalk it up to another suckfest of a year. Hey any chance you can e-mail all the other QB's and tell them they might as well pull their names out of the draft hat since they suck and to not waist anymore of anyones time. That would help considerably for the Skins to be forced to have to go after RGIII.

How valuable are our draft picks on a team without a QB? People around here are more then willing to let McIntosh and Landry walk, both of whom cost us a first round pick. No one shed a tear either when Rogers walked and we couldn't wait to get rid of Campbell. Thats 4 first round picks and a 2nd in that group.

Also who shed a tear when Thomas and Kelly left, or Chad Rhinehart? Two 2nd's and a 3rd right there.

The stock up strategy is akin to thinking like the Dolphins in 2008 when they passed on Matt Ryan for the smart pick in Jake Long then handled the QB situation by drafting a promising second tier prospect in Chad Henne who is now all but gone. And sure maybe Ryan hasn't won a playoff game but last I checked the Falcons are winning games while the Dolphins are picking in the Top 10.

You know what all these draft savy teams have that allows them to stock up on picks? Quarterbacks. Franchise game changing QB's. Unless you're lucky odds are you won't get that from Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, Cousins, etc. And you certainly won't get it from Kyle Orton.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

How valuable are our draft picks on a team without a QB? People around here are more then willing to let McIntosh and Landry walk, both of whom cost us a first round pick. No one shed a tear either when Rogers walked and we couldn't wait to get rid of Campbell. Thats 4 first round picks and a 2nd in that group.

Also who shed a tear when Thomas and Kelly left, or Chad Rhinehart? Two 2nd's and a 3rd right there.

The stock up strategy is akin to thinking like the Dolphins in 2008 when they passed on Matt Ryan for the smart pick in Jake Long then handled the QB situation by drafting a promising second tier prospect in Chad Henne who is now all but gone. And sure maybe Ryan hasn't won a playoff game but last I checked the Falcons are winning games while the Dolphins are picking in the Top 10.



You know what all these draft savy teams have that allows them to stock up on picks? Quarterbacks. Franchise game changing QB's. Unless you're lucky odds are you won't get that from Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, Cousins, etc. And you certainly won't get it from Kyle Orton.

Well put we need to do something and PM is the safe route that still leaves us with a hole a QB in a couple of years.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

How valuable are our draft picks on a team without a QB? People around here are more then willing to let McIntosh and Landry walk, both of whom cost us a first round pick. No one shed a tear either when Rogers walked and we couldn't wait to get rid of Campbell. Thats 4 first round picks and a 2nd in that group.

Also who shed a tear when Thomas and Kelly left, or Chad Rhinehart? Two 2nd's and a 3rd right there.

The stock up strategy is akin to thinking like the Dolphins in 2008 when they passed on Matt Ryan for the smart pick in Jake Long then handled the QB situation by drafting a promising second tier prospect in Chad Henne who is now all but gone. And sure maybe Ryan hasn't won a playoff game but last I checked the Falcons are winning games while the Dolphins are picking in the Top 10.

You know what all these draft savy teams have that allows them to stock up on picks? Quarterbacks. Franchise game changing QB's. Unless you're lucky odds are you won't get that from Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, Cousins, etc. And you certainly won't get it from Kyle Orton.

Draft picks are equally valuable to teams who like their QB situation as they are to teams that don't like their quarterback situation. Who your quarterback is doesn't change how valuable a draft pick is.

I find it endlessly fascinating that you're all about the game changing quarterback, and yet you keep trotting out the Matt Ryan-in-2008 argument. It's mind boggling to me that you don't think that Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, Moore etc can be as good as Matt Ryan. If anything, the Falcons have proved that you sure can win 10 games a year with Tannehill or Foles.

The Falcons had a really good 2008 draft (Ryan, Lofton, Biermann, etc), one that helped to rebuild their franchise. Thing is, the Dolphins also had a good draft and that 2008 draft ended up being very weak for teams that didn't focus on running backs or quarterbacks, where it has produced very well.

But what you're totally forgetting about the Falcons is that despite having one of the smartest personnel guys in the league in Dimitroff, that's a team that isn't in a great cap situation anymore, hasn't fixed their defense, and is now caught hoping to a higher power that there's more to Matt Ryan than what they've gotten so far.

Ryan was great early in his career when the Falcons needed someone to make them forget Michael Vick. But now the Falcons only play is to pay Matt Ryan like an elite quarterback, and if he can't take Roddy White and Julio Jones and go light up the scoreboard, well, Brees and Newton are going to light up the Falcons for the next five seasons.

[tmandoug1]

Why does not getting RGIII mean we will suck next year? We can only get better with some quality picks. But yeah you are right if we get RGIII we will be well on our way with our new franchise QB, as he gets broken and battered because we have no O-line. When are people gonna realize this simple point, you can put an average QB see "Mark Rypien" behind an awesome O-line and we succeed but put a "franchise qb"see "Heath Schuller behind a bad O-line and we get nothing and we still suck.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Why does not getting RGIII mean we will suck next year? We can only get better with some quality picks. But yeah you are right if we get RGIII we will be well on our way with our new franchise QB, as he gets broken and battered because we have no O-line. When are people gonna realize this simple point, you can put an average QB see "Mark Rypien" behind an awesome O-line and we succeed but put a "franchise qb"see "Heath Schuller behind a bad O-line and we get nothing and we still suck.

We need a real quarterback. Such as Rg3, Luck, Manning, Flynn,even Orton worst case. Getting those 2nd tier quarterback gives us a one in million chance of finding one. Mark Rypien played in a different legue. He also played on a team without a salary cap, where the Redskins were by far the highest paid team. He had one of the best offensive lines in history along with a great defense, good running backs and good recievers. Rypien was at best an average QB.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Why does not getting RGIII mean we will suck next year? We can only get better with some quality picks. But yeah you are right if we get RGIII we will be well on our way with our new franchise QB, as he gets broken and battered because we have no O-line. When are people gonna realize this simple point, you can put an average QB see "Mark Rypien" behind an awesome O-line and we succeed but put a "franchise qb"see "Heath Schuller behind a bad O-line and we get nothing and we still suck.

Uh oh... no you didn't just use Heath Schuller? OMG. I like how you started out but you need to work on your finish.

[Pigskins]

Our o line is very improved

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pigskins

Our o line is very improved

As much as I think so and liked how they created holes in the last 4 games... others here will lead you to believe this team is extremely far from play off contention.

Listen I believe this team is better then most here due to most games having been lost by only 7 points or less which would be 1 extra TD for a half decent QB who can protect the ball and two really really good WR's.

But it's like this we are either really really close and only need to go out and get RGIII to finish the product or we are miles away and have a ton of needs. We can't afford to throw away valuable picks which would give us hopefully valuable starters across the board for one luxury pick... especially if we are no where near contending.

[MTK]

No player taken in the draft comes with a guarantee. But you evaluate guys the best you can so you can make the best possible decision.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No player taken in the draft comes with a guarantee. But you evaluate guys the best you can so you can make the best possible decision.

That is what a lot of folks miss here, it is all a GAMBLE, FA, Draft, etc...Some decisions are less risky then others but every decision has some level of risk.

Take even Indy, what if Luck comes out and sucks. Do you know how much potential draft picks or players they could have gotten for that pick? Probably a ton. Even their decision to stay at 1 is a risk.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is what a lot of folks miss here, it is all a GAMBLE, FA, Draft, etc...Some decisions are less risky then others but every decision has some level of risk.

Take even Indy, what if Luck comes out and sucks. Do you know how much potential draft picks or players they could have gotten for that pick? Probably a ton. Even their decision to stay at 1 is a risk.

I'd gladly take that risk.