Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is: Do Tannehill or Weeden have enough talent to be an option instead of trading all those picks? Are either that far behind RGIII in talent that they are not an option?

Yes. Take a moment to look at Griffin.

- Olympic level athlete
- Elite Arm Strength
- Downfield accuracy
- High IQ (likely over 140)
- High character
- Led Baylor....BAYLOR to a 9-3 season including wins over Oklahoma and Texas.
- 4 year starter...err 3.15 year starter.

Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yes. Take a moment to look at Griffin.

- Olympic level athlete
- Elite Arm Strength
- Downfield accuracy
- High IQ (likely over 140)
- High character
- Led Baylor....BAYLOR to a 9-3 season including wins over Oklahoma and Texas.

Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.

I know that, but is he worth giving up all those players? Could Tannehill or Weeden have enough talent down the road like, say Rypien to win a championship.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.

I'm gonna respond in broad strokes here but...Tannehill's physical skillset is very close to Griffin.
Tannehill more then anyone else was hurt by his inability to run around in shorts at the combine because it would give context to how close his physical skillset really is to Griffin.
He doesn't match Griffin's deep ball accuracy or his speed but everything else is close.
Tannehill has a sturdier build, there in the same ball park in velocity, personally I think Tannehill throws with more velocity.
Both are playmakers that can extend plays and pick up yards running.
Tannehill has the benefit of playing under Mike Sherman in a variant of the Houston offense.
Tannehill will undoubtedly had a large advantage over Griffin when it comes to running Kyle's offense specifically.
There a certain rhythm in the drop backs and footwork that Griffin would have to learn that Tannehill would already know not to mention the concepts and verbiage of the offense.
With Griffin you're making a projection into this offense where with Tannehill its more of a transition.
The main difference between Tannehill and Griffin for me is deep ball accuracy and experience everything else is close or unimportant.

(I feel like a broken record)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yes. Take a moment to look at Griffin.

- Olympic level athlete
- Elite Arm Strength
- Downfield accuracy
- High IQ (likely over 140)
- High character
- Led Baylor....BAYLOR to a 9-3 season including wins over Oklahoma and Texas.
- 4 year starter...err 3.15 year starter.

Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.

Um- Weeden has all that except the running/ evasiveness.
Strong arm
Able to make all the throws
Accuracy
Great with the fade and out route
Smart
Mature
Already gets along with the coaching staff
Has great throwing motion unlike RGIII with his 3/4 motion.
Can read defenses
Shows patience and mobility in the pocket
Works through his progressions
Does not lock on to any one WR

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is: Do Tannehill or Weeden have enough talent to be an option instead of trading all those picks? Are either that far behind RGIII in talent that they are not an option?

I 100% believe so. Which is why I'm against throwing all those picks to get him when there is a possibility 7-8 picks could be turned into 12-16 picks that would help this team with its on going rebuild. With a good OL we would not have a need for a QB who has to run for his life or fails to go through his progressions because he gets impatient and runs.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I 100% believe so. Which is why I'm against throwing all those picks to get him when there is a possibility 7-8 picks could be turned into 12-16 picks that would help this team with its on going rebuild. With a good OL we would not have a need for a QB who has to run for his life or fails to go through his progressions because he gets impatient and runs.

Doubling picks? So everyone will come mostly from the 4th round and lower?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

It seems your more enamored with this whole combine talk than those that want us to trade up for him lol. His awesome showing comes from him dispelling any doubts about his physical ability and build. Along with a commanding presence when talking to the media.

Yep thats it. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yep thats it. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

All I'm saying is that the hype RGIII is getting doesnt simply stem from a strong showing at the combine. It's deserved.

[GTripp0012]

To try to shift the argument for a moment, does anyone want to make the argument that the Rams SHOULDN'T draft RG3 with the second pick? I mean sure, they'll get a haul of picks to move down from 2 to 4 or 6 or 8 or wherever. But, the Colts would get twice as much to move out of the first slot, and they're not going to do it. Why SHOULDN'T the Rams leave all those picks on the table and just fix their quarterback situation.

The answer probably has something to do with the risk of Griffin not being as effective as Bradford already is, which is a pretty low bar. But the Rams are one team, at least, that apparently thinks even though RG3 is good, that they're better off with the picks. Point is: teams that value the picks over RG3 exist.

[Swarley]

oh and I forgot to write in my earlier post but yes RGIII did jump. 39" vertical and 10' broad jump I believe.

[Alvin Walton]

OK lets say we give this years 1,2,3 and next years first.
Does the Warpath meltdown as a whole or rejoice?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

OK lets say we give this years 1,2,3 and next years first.
Does the Warpath meltdown as a whole or rejoice?

the obvious answer is some would be weeping and gnashing of teeth while others would be singing Hallelujah choirs. I would be in the hallelujah choir section.

Pro:
If we make that trade, it is an all in move. I can support that because, we need a consensus qb, that will not be questioned. That type of trade would mean RGIII is it. No JC question, is he or isn't he. Period end, This is the face of the Skins under the Shanny's (hair question aside).

Con:
More than just the 6th pick, we saw how BA maneuvered the 10th pick into a full meal of draftees. I would think if the 6th pick were ours, we could actively market it, and still get a 2nd tier qb, plus another bunch of picks.


For me I am sick of the yearly Skins offseason debate. Is [x] the qb or is he going. Is it the coach who's going, or the player. Give me some RGIII please.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

the obvious answer is some would be weeping and gnashing of teeth while others would be singing Hallelujah choirs. I would be in the hallelujah choir section.

Pro:
If we make that trade, it is an all in move. I can support that because, we need a consensus qb, that will not be questioned. That type of trade would mean RGIII is it. No JC question, is he or isn't he. Period end, This is the face of the Skins under the Shanny's (hair question aside).

Con:
More than just the 6th pick, we saw how BA maneuvered the 10th pick into a full meal of draftees. I would think if the 6th pick were ours, we could actively market it, and still get a 2nd tier qb, plus another bunch of picks.


For me I am sick of the yearly Skins offseason debate. Is [x] the qb or is he going. Is it the coach who's going, or the player. Give me some RGIII please.

That is what I thinking too! Give me that franchise QB or at least a shot at him that at least gets us in the playoffs every year and a chance at the dance. If RGIII came here and gave us a career like McNabb in Philly (hopefully with a SB victory thrown in there somewhere) I be loving my Skins again. We need THE MAN here, someone that a kid in Detroit has a poster of because he is The Man at QB. I want to watch Redskins football and be excited again. Eventually I like a SB vicotry but right now I just like to be legitimately excited about my team on Sunday.

RGIII represents all that to me.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pro:
If we make that trade, it is an all in move. I can support that because, we need a consensus qb, that will not be questioned. That type of trade would mean RGIII is it. No JC question, is he or isn't he. Period end, This is the face of the Skins under the Shanny's (hair question aside).

I think it's maybe a bit naive to think that the Redskins quarterback questions end on draft day if they draft Griffin. There will be people who will never believe in Robert Griffin for completely superficial reasons. And then there will be a more significant percentage of fans that may not have the best understanding of the quarterback position who will note that the improvements aren't very apparent and that the young quarterback has frustrating tendencies and maybe it's not too early to consider going in a different direction at quarterback.

People will fabricate all sorts of reasons to not believe Robert Griffin is the Redskins franchise quarterback. But I think it's safe to say that draft day would be the very start of the Redskins QB debate, not the end of it.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

OK lets say we give this years 1,2,3 and next years first.
Does the Warpath meltdown as a whole or rejoice?

If we get him for that low a price...rejoyce. But it's going to be more than that. I'd guess its more than that though. My biggest concern is that Shanny will not do well the next 2-3 years because our team sucks as a whole, and there are not that many good FA options and we will not have many draft picks coming up. After a couple more bad years I say he gets fired. I think he screwed up in his first year badly with the McNabb trade (and I'd argue the Williams pick...but I won't), which I believe will hurt us more than most people realize. But I think he should be given a second chance to build a franchise because I think he is a good x's and o's coach and he is a risk taker (sometimes you get burned with risks). If he makes this move, and is dedicated to rebuilding the team I want him to stick around.

How long untill the giants turned things around? Some could argue that in Manning's third year they turned it around because they made the playoffs, but I'd say it wasn't untill his 4th considering they made the playoffs at 8-8 and had more points scored on them then they scored.

Shanny's protege Kubiyak also had quite a bit of time to start winning. And now look at his team, the texans are ballin. Sometimes it takes ALOT of time to turn things around, and one mistake (given it was a big one) is understandable.

I think he did a good job at improving our team last year, and I want to see him continue down this path. The fact of the matter is our team sucks. And even our highly paid players that Shanny inherited are getting old/broken down. Hall, Moss, Fletcher, Cooley