The Official 2012 NFL Combine Thread

[That Guy]

luck's no slouch. he's as atheletic as cam newton was at the combine. rgiii just has a scary 40 time. really scary.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by That Guy

luck's no slouch. he's as atheletic as cam newton was at the combine. rgiii just has a scary 40 time. really scary.

Scares me too. If I were his QB coach, I wouldn't let him take the field until he mastered the art of sliding. I'd give him the Willy Mays Hayes treatment and make him do 20 push ups on the field every time he took an unnecessary hit.

Speed kills. See Michael Vick and the number of games he misses each year.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Scares me too. If I were his QB coach, I wouldn't let him take the field until he mastered the art of sliding. I'd give him the Willy Mays Hayes treatment and make him do 20 push ups on the field every time he took an unnecessary hit.

Speed kills. See Michael Vick and the number of games he misses each year.

RG3 has a lot of a bigger built body than Vick does. I am not suggesting that he purposefully takes vicious hits like Vick takes, but I think RG3 can take them better because he is bigger.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

RG3 has a lot of a bigger built body than Vick does. I am not suggesting that he purposefully takes vicious hits like Vick takes, but I think RG3 can take them better because he is bigger.

True dat. Plus he has a different playing style than Vick. RGIII is less of a run-first QB.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

RG3 has a lot of a bigger built body than Vick does. I am not suggesting that he purposefully takes vicious hits like Vick takes, but I think RG3 can take them better because he is bigger.

A lot bigger? He has Vick by about 8LBS. Tebow's a big boy, but even suffered a punctured lung against the Pats and wouldn't have been able to play in the AFC Championship if they beat the Pats. RGIII is going to get hurt and hurt often if he doesn't change the way he plays. "Seems to run directly into contact" is one of the red flags on him, and he may have similar speed to Vick, but not the shiftiness.

I know he's not a run first guy, but people seem to be getting a little too excited about his ability to extend plays with his feet. I like it too as long as he becomes an expert in sliding and running out of bounds. Otherwise, he will become an injury liability.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

A lot bigger? He has Vick by about 8LBS. Tebow's a big boy, but even suffered a punctured lung against the Pats and wouldn't have been able to play in the AFC Championship if they beat the Pats. RGIII is going to get hurt and hurt often if he doesn't change the way he plays. "Seems to run directly into contact" is one of the red flags on him, and he may have similar speed to Vick, but not the shiftiness.

I know he's not a run first guy, but people seem to be getting a little too excited about his ability to extend plays with his feet. I like it too as long as he becomes an expert in sliding and running out of bounds. Otherwise, he will become an injury liability.

Rothlisburger and Romo extend plays and they aren't out hurt every week. If he "runs directly into contact" why is he not seen as an injury liability? Why are we getting too excited about his ability to extend the play with his feet? 4.41 40 time not fast enough for your liking?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Rothlisburger and Romo extend plays and they aren't out hurt every week. If he "runs directly into contact" why is he not seen as an injury liability? Why are we getting too excited about his ability to extend the play with his feet? 4.41 40 time not fast enough for your liking?

Romo slides and Big Ben is a lot bigger and so is Cam Newton. Someone said RGIII was a lot bigger than Vick, when he's actually a whopping 8 LBS heavier. No one cares about Romos and Ben's 40 time. And the Mannings, Brady and Drew Brees can extend plays too without running head on into traffic.

All I said was I'd make sure to emphasize sliding and getting out of bounds if I were the QB coach for the team that drafted RGIII. And no, I don't care how fast he is. I rattled off the last 12 QBs to win the Super Bowl, and none of them won because they were fast.

I don't have it handy, but I did read that one of the few red flags was that when he did run, he didn't make much of an effort to avoid contact. He suffered a concussion on a running play while attempting to slide and had the season ending knee injury on another.

As a matter of fact, you can read some concerns expressed here about him holding onto the ball too long taking unnecessary hits and some issues with fumbling.

Robert Griffin III, Baylor, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Again, all I said initially was that sliding and getting the hell out of bounds would be priorities #1 and #2 in his development plan.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Romo slides and Big Ben is a lot bigger and so is Cam Newton. Someone said RGIII was a lot bigger than Vick, when he's actually a whopping 8 LBS heavier. No one cares about Romos and Ben's 40 time. And the Mannings, Brady and Drew Brees can extend plays too without running head on into traffic.

All I said was I'd make sure to emphasize sliding and getting out of bounds if I were the QB coach for the team that drafted RGIII. And no, I don't care how fast he is. I rattled off the last 12 QBs to win the Super Bowl, and none of them won because they were fast.

I don't have it handy, but I did read that one of the few red flags was that when he did run, he didn't make much of an effort to avoid contact. He suffered a concussion on a running play while attempting to slide and had the season ending knee injury on another.

As a matter of fact, you can read some concerns expressed here about him holding onto the ball too long taking unnecessary hits and some issues with fumbling.

Robert Griffin III, Baylor, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Again, all I said initially was that sliding and getting the hell out of bounds would be priorities #1 and #2 in his development plan.

RGIII is still putting weight on his frame. He's filled out some just since the end of the regular season. He'll get bigger.

But your basic point is correct: any team that spends a #2 pick on RGIII has to teach him to guard his health.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Scares me too. If I were his QB coach, I wouldn't let him take the field until he mastered the art of sliding. I'd give him the Willy Mays Hayes treatment and make him do 20 push ups on the field every time he took an unnecessary hit.

Speed kills. See Michael Vick and the number of games he misses each year.

There is no doubt that Griffin is a fearless/borderline reckless runner in the same vein as Vick or Jake Locker.
Griffin is gonna have to learn to pick and choose his spots and show better judgement on when to take a hit to get extra yards vs when to get as much as he can and get down before contact.
Its a function of decision making, Cam Newton is an excellent decision maker in this regard.
For as much as Cam runs its his ability to avoid taking hits that I find impressive.

But I think you're going to far when you imply that Vick's injuries are due to his running and that Griffin would have a similar injury history.
Its an easy assumption to make but the accuracy of the assumption is what my eyes and memory tell me to question.

How many of Vick's injuries occured in the pocket vs outside the pocket?
I recall Vick gettin hit in the pocket this past season.

Which makes me question how many of his injuries are a direct result of his scrambling?
How many of Vick's injuries are due to recklessness more then the actual scramble itself?

Or maybe Vick is just injury prone much Matt Schaub a pocket passer with a similar injury background.
I think by and large the more injury causing hits happen inside the pocket then outside the pocket.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 30gut

There is no doubt that Griffin is a fearless/borderline reckless runner in the same vein as Vick or Jake Locker.
Griffin is gonna have to learn to pick and choose his spots and show better judgement on when to take a hit to get extra yards vs when to get as much as he can and get down before contact.
Its a function of decision making, Cam Newton is an excellent decision maker in this regard.
For as much as Cam runs its his ability to avoid taking hits that I find impressive.

But I think you're going to far when you imply that Vick's injuries are due to his running and that Griffin would have a similar injury history.
Its an easy assumption to make but the accuracy of the assumption is what my eyes and memory tell me to question.

How many of Vick's injuries occured in the pocket vs outside the pocket?
I recall Vick gettin hit in the pocket this past season.

Which makes me question how many of his injuries are a direct result of his scrambling?
How many of Vick's injuries are due to recklessness more then the actual scramble itself?

Or maybe Vick is just injury prone much Matt Schaub a pocket passer with a similar injury background.
I think by and large the more injury causing hits happen inside the pocket then outside the pocket.

Fair enough. Just watching Vick play though, he seems to take a lot of punishment on running plays that may not necessarily take him out of the game, but may impact his production. I like RGIII, because he seems capable of being an elite passer, not because he's fast and can jump high. All I'm saying is that his mobility is only a bonus if he can avoid contact as much as possible. As a starting QB, he would be too valuable to miss games.