QB Combo Possibilities: Which Do You Want (QB Rumors: Verse 10)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is still a great thread.

I suspect RGIII carries far higher bust potential than most believe him to carry. He's a highly mobile QB from a basic college offensive system and, more importantly IMO, it's unclear if his hearts in the game. Can he eat, sleep and breath for the game 46 weeks each year? Wasn't it just a cpl/few months ago he was considering a law degree and putting pro football on hold? Really? Really?? It's pro friggin football and you wanna be the next Johnny Cochran...what fine chap you are indeed, sir!!!

I hope there isn't a $ limit on PM. Peyton's never struck me as an unreasonable guy, so he'll accept there's "consensus" idea what he's worth in the market. We should beat that number by a few hundred thousand. The real ? is whether Peyton wants to sign here i.e. does he believe this bidding team, right now, gives him the best opportunity to win right now? I'll be ecstatic if he dons the Burgundy and Gold!!!

I'll put it on a t-shirt: Peyton Manning: We're not ****in around anymore!!!
(Redskins Logo)

I'm in your camp but not so much about his heart. Hell he can play football while getting his law degree and racking up the $$$. My issue is the Skins giving up all those picks, and having extremely high expectations for him and what if he has trouble transitioning from the spread offense to a NFL offense? What if he has trouble reading defenses? What if the coaching staff gets all worked up over trying to change his throwing motion like McNabb's footwork and RGIII does not play as well? What happens if RGIII has trouble getting past his first read or it's just a major hickup with him that might take a few to several yrs for him to overcome?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm in your camp but not so much about his heart. Hell he can play football while getting his law degree and racking up the $$$. My issue is the Skins giving up all those picks, and having extremely high expectations for him and what if he has trouble transitioning from the spread offense to a NFL offense? What if he has trouble reading defenses? What if the coaching staff gets all worked up over trying to change his throwing motion like McNabb's footwork and RGIII does not play as well? What happens if RGIII has trouble getting past his first read or it's just a major hickup with him that might take a few to several yrs for him to overcome?

Seems that you're so worried about everything that could go wrong, but what if the guy is the real deal and a QB you can hang your hat on as a franchise for the next decade?

Life is about taking chances, I'd rather roll the dice than be paralyzed by over-analysis.

Every QB coming out of college has things to work on, but someone with his physical tools, character, and intelligence, that's a pretty good basis on which to start.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is still a great thread.

I suspect RGIII carries far higher bust potential than most believe him to carry. He's a highly mobile QB from a basic college offensive system and, more importantly IMO, it's unclear if his hearts in the game. Can he eat, sleep and breath for the game 46 weeks each year? Wasn't it just a cpl/few months ago he was considering a law degree and putting pro football on hold? Really? Really?? It's pro friggin football and you wanna be the next Johnny Cochran...what fine chap you are indeed, sir!!!

I hope there isn't a $ limit on PM. Peyton's never struck me as an unreasonable guy, so he'll accept there's "consensus" idea what he's worth in the market. We should beat that number by a few hundred thousand. The real ? is whether Peyton wants to sign here i.e. does he believe this bidding team, right now, gives him the best opportunity to win right now? I'll be ecstatic if he dons the Burgundy and Gold!!!

I'll put it on a t-shirt: Peyton Manning: We're not ****in around anymore!!!
(Redskins Logo)

I tend to agree with you on your sentiments concerning RGIII. I get hot and cold on the idea.

I have loved the idea of PM in the B & G since the talk came out in early Feb that we were really looking at him. SS seems to think we are on his short list of teams he would sign with, and now I am just ecstatic that it may be a real possibility that we get to see #18. To me it is the much less risky decision.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

When has RG3's heart become a question? I'd like him to explain Baylor's offense because by his own admission it's not the simplicity everyone thinks it is. Blane Gabbert came from a spread as well and people loved him last year. Sure everyone carries a bust factor but everyone does.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

When has RG3's heart become a question? I'd like him to explain Baylor's offense because by his own admission it's not the simplicity everyone thinks it is. Blane Gabbert came from a spread as well and people loved him last year. Sure everyone carries a bust factor but everyone does.

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.

I agree, a guy with this ability and mindset doesnt come around much and he is within our reach! we need to trade up for him and i hope we do sooner or later to give me peace of mind. When do you think it will happen if it does?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.

Look at your list you are also showing that there is a 50/50 chance this won't work .Out of your list there are only 3 Super bowl QB's on the list (I don't count Carr)

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Look at your list you are also showing that there is a 50/50 chance this won't work .Out of your list there are only 3 Super bowl QB's on the list (I don't count Carr)

I don't think going or winning a SB necessarily makes you a great or bad QB there are to many other variables in the formula to sole say the team made or didn't make the SB becasue of it's QB play.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think going or winning a SB necessarily makes you a great or bad QB there are to many other variables in the formula to sole say the team made or didn't make the SB becasue of it's QB play.

I don't think SB play is even a thought. Simply look at that list and pick how many really good QB's are in it. I'm with Giantone, there are only about 3 so far. Atleast for right now. You could possibly add Newton but it's hard to make a decision off of one year. Bradford could get better but I just don't see it which is a reason I don't want us trading for him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Look at your list you are also showing that there is a 50/50 chance this won't work .Out of your list there are only 3 Super bowl QB's on the list (I don't count Carr)

Yeah the blinded "I'm despirate for a franchise QB", RGIII is it, fan fails to notice what your talking about.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.

Thats a nice hindesight look at things and I'd agree with you. But put yourself in the days leading up to those drafts during each year and you'll see fans and teams talking similarly to how everyone here talks about RGIII. I can remember last year Jake Locker was supposed to be the 1, after the Combine Newton looked good. Fans and teams were "hey we should give up the farm for one of them." I can remember fans talking about how Russell and Young were the best things since sliced bread and we should "do whatever it takes to get them" at the time.

Which is another reason I'm not a fan of loosing the draft picks and reaching to get him. 1 pick for one player I'd take him in a heart beat. But as we know thats not how the "chart" works or supply and demand.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Thats a nice hindesight look at things and I'd agree with you. But put yourself in the days leading up to those drafts during each year and you'll see fans and teams talking similarly to how everyone here talks about RGIII. I can remember last year Jake Locker was supposed to be the 1, after the Combine Newton looked good. Fans and teams were "hey we should give up the farm for one of them." I can remember fans talking about how Russell and Young were the best things since sliced bread and we should "do whatever it takes to get them" at the time.

Which is another reason I'm not a fan of loosing the draft picks and reaching to get him. 1 pick for one player I'd take him in a heart beat. But as we know thats not how the "chart" works or supply and demand.

Locker was not going #1, not sure why you keep saying that.

And after the combine Newton actually looked like crap, at least when it came to his throwing.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Locker was not going #1, not sure why you keep saying that.

And after the combine Newton actually looked like crap, at least when it came to his throwing.

Because prior to the season ending Locker was the going to be the #1 pick. As far as I remember Newton was not near the top until after Gruden interviewed him. I'm pretty sure it was Locker, and Gabbert who were bouncing around the #1 spot. Ponder, Mallet, and Dalton were all talked about being anywhere from RD 2-4.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Locker was not going #1, not sure why you keep saying that.

And after the combine Newton actually looked like crap, at least when it came to his throwing.

Well in all fairness he's kind of right. Many pundits said he would have been picked first overall had he declared for the 2010 draft thinking the problems he had with accuracy were temporary. When he put together another average season his senior year thats when his stock started to slip.

2011 though no one said he was going number 1 overall. And now I'm realizing Son of Man basically said the same thing. slaps self in head *idiot idiot idiot*

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.



Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.