QB Combo Possibilities: Which Do You Want (QB Rumors: Verse 10)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.

Why would we trade those guys. They gave us FIVE WHOLE WINS last year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.

Or we could be giving up Charles Rogers (1st round), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Chad Rinehart (3rd round) and Dallas Sartz (4th round). That's the thing with draft picks, how many you have is far less relevant than how you use them.

As badly as we shredded the Vinny era (with damn good reasons), how many of the picks we traded away turned into a valued player? We were just cursed with making bad choices with the picks we had in addition to trading some away. There's no guarantee on any draft able player but it seems like the bust potential for RGIII is relatively low.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Or we could be giving up Charles Rogers (1st round), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Chad Rinehart (3rd round) and Dallas Sartz (4th round). That's the thing with draft picks, how many you have is far less relevant than how you use them.

As badly as we shredded the Vinny era (with damn good reasons), how many of the picks we traded away turned into a valued player? We were just cursed with making bad choices with the picks we had in addition to trading some away. There's no guarantee on any draft able player but it seems like the bust potential for RGIII is relatively low.

Reminds me of a brainless trade made in 2008. Jason Taylor for a 3rd round draft choice makes me mad even now. I'm so glad Cerratto isn't our GM anymore.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Reminds me of a brainless trade made in 2008. Jason Taylor for a 3rd round draft choice makes me mad even now. I'm so glad Cerratto isn't our GM anymore.

Just to make you madder, it was actually a second round pick, which the Dolphins used to draft......Pat White out of West Virginia. Kinda reinforces my point about other teams wasting our picks rather than us wasting them under Cerrato.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Or we could be giving up Charles Rogers (1st round), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Chad Rinehart (3rd round) and Dallas Sartz (4th round). That's the thing with draft picks, how many you have is far less relevant than how you use them.

As badly as we shredded the Vinny era (with damn good reasons), how many of the picks we traded away turned into a valued player? We were just cursed with making bad choices with the picks we had in addition to trading some away. There's no guarantee on any draft able player but it seems like the bust potential for RGIII is relatively low.

I'll say you have a point. but come on man. During the Cerrato era this team would trade picks for players, trade multiple picks to move up, and leave this team with limited draft picks on draft day. On top of that for some reason out of all the draft picks taken it would seem the team would only keep 2 or 3 picks each year. To me thats either bad scouting, or bad coaching.

This team in the last 2 years has played the draft 100X better and kept if not all the draft picks atleast 95% of them. I'd rather take my chance with this coaching staff and the picks vs. trading up for one player.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'll say you have a point. but come on man. During the Cerrato era this team would trade picks for players, trade multiple picks to move up, and leave this team with limited draft picks on draft day. On top of that for some reason out of all the draft picks taken it would seem the team would only keep 2 or 3 picks each year. To me thats either bad scouting, or bad coaching.

This team in the last 2 years has played the draft 100X better and kept if not all the draft picks atleast 95% of them. I'd rather take my chance with this coaching staff and the picks vs. trading up for one player.

Don't get my post confused for defending Cerrato at all. I'm just saying that if we trade picks away it's not like they AUTOMATICALLY become great players. I agree that this regime has done a ton better than Cerrato ever did. I think we're ok either way, trading up for RGIII or keeping the picks and getting a free agent QB. My preference is trading up though.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Don't get my post confused for defending Cerrato at all. I'm just saying that if we trade picks away it's not like they AUTOMATICALLY become great players. I agree that this regime has done a ton better than Cerrato ever did. I think we're ok either way, trading up for RGIII or keeping the picks and getting a free agent QB. My preference is trading up though.

I didn't think you were defending Cerrato and didn't mean for my post to sound like that. I presumed you were refering to how no matter how many picks a team uses they might not pan out. So it might be better to use those picks on a more sure fire starter and trade up for RGIII. < thats how I took it. All I was saying was the team now has done a lot better job with not only scouting but keeping the players drafted. So to me the extra picks to move up, to me, would be more valuable vs. using them on one player. But yes your essentially right no one knows how the drafted player will or won't work out in the NFL and that includes all the QB's in the draft. We can assume Luck and RGIII and some of the others will work out and become SB QB's one day but no one really knows. It's kinda a crap shoot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.

Maybe someone else asked this...but who is Roger Crawford?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why would we trade those guys. They gave us FIVE WHOLE WINS last year.

Totally lost my mind, next years class will be better. My 10th grade Calculus teacher used to say that everyday. I'm sure George Feeny from Boy Meets World said it too.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

I agree, a guy with this ability and mindset doesnt come around much and he is within our reach! we need to trade up for him and i hope we do sooner or later to give me peace of mind. When do you think it will happen if it does?

Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.

i hope so, keep that screensaver up bro

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.

I think they get a handshake deal and make the trade official the night before the draft but actually making it official this early? You have to know on April 26th that RGIII is healthy. Unless of course they make some sort of provision that says if RGIII suffers a major injury before draft day then the trade becomes void but I don't think thats ever happened.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

It's not coming down I promise. I think in the end we give up a 1st, 2nd, and 4th this year and a 1st next year.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

It's not coming down I promise. I think in the end we give up a 1st, 2nd, and 4th this year and a 1st next year.

im so down with that. well worth it in my eyes from what i think rg3 is worth. i believe there will be a handshake deal too just not sure when and if/when there is do you think it will be public or behind the scenes?

[REDSKINS4ever]

At this juncture, I wouldn't be surprised if Grossman isn't re-signed. The guy just turns the ball over entirely too much. The coaches still like Beck, but no matter how much Beck talks about believing in himself, he's proven that he can't cut it in the NFL. No even Heath Shuler was ever 0-8 as a starter. No one is talking about Jonathan Crompton. I saw highlights of him playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. He was good and has potential. The one thing that Crompton has going his way is that he's had time to grow into Kyle Shanahan's playbook. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends of the back up QB when the regular season begins.