New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Yes to inflict pain. That's football. Right? Guys on the Saints were not trying to end anyone's career.

Where do you draw the line? From what I understand, the investigation found that bonuses were higher if you knocked an opponent out for the game. With how fast football moves, how can you differentiate trying to knock someone out for a game, season, or career? What, their LB's say, hey, I'm just gonna sprain his knee a little bit? Please man.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Where do you draw the line? From what I understand, the investigation found that bonuses were higher if you knocked an opponent out for the game. With how fast football moves, how can you differentiate trying to knock someone out for a game, season, or career? What, their LB's say, hey, I'm just gonna sprain his knee a little bit? Please man.

I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.

Are you serious? GW started a bounty program that gave EXTRA rewards for knocking key players out of the game. Is knocking someone out of a game not hurting them?

As long as it's a clean hit, huh? You're high as a kite if you really think GW said, hey, let's knock Kurt Warner's ass out of this ball game, I'll pay you thousands for, but gosh darn it, it better be clean! LOL. Yeah. Unless it's a random accident like, for example, when a guy's foot gets stuck in the turf and his knee gets all twisted up when tackled, guys typically don't get knocked out of a game on a clean hit or form tackle. What does typically knock guys out of games are head shots, giving QB's that extra drive into the turf on a sack, tackling a guy at his knees, etc etc. And hey, if you did that in GW's defense, you get extra cheddar. It might draw a flag, but that dude's hurt, and you get that bounty. That's all good, right?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Are you serious? GW started a bounty program that gave EXTRA rewards for knocking key players out of the game. Is knocking someone out of a game not hurting them?

As long as it's a clean hit, huh? You're high as a kite if you really think GW said, hey, let's knock Kurt Warner's ass out of this ball game, I'll pay you thousands for, but gosh darn it, it better be clean! LOL. Yeah. Unless it's a random accident like, for example, when a guy's foot gets stuck in the turf and his knee gets all twisted up when tackled, guys typically don't get knocked out of a game on a clean hit or form tackle. What does typically knock guys out of games are head shots, giving QB's that extra drive into the turf on a sack, tackling a guy at his knees, etc etc. And hey, if you did that in GW's defense, you get extra cheddar. It might draw a flag, but that dude's hurt, and you get that bounty. That's all good, right?

Listen to Sharper's comments. We'll agree to disagree.

[Hijinx]

So the NFL is now opened an investigation into the Skins.


Does the fact that this involves multiple teams, but mostly under the direction of 1 coach mean that the punishment will be more on Williams(fines or suspensions) or still team based(fines and draft picks)?

People are expecting a Spygate-like punishment. If the Skins get fined the 2013 1st round draft pick, you can forget getting RG3. If the Skins quickly make the trade, before the punishment, the NFL may take the 2014 1st round pick. This means no 1st rounder 2 years in a row, plus and more picks we would give to the Rams.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

So the NFL is now opened an investigation into the Skins.


Does the fact that this involves multiple teams, but mostly under the direction of 1 coach mean that the punishment will be more on Williams(fines or suspensions) or still team based(fines and draft picks)?

People are expecting a Spygate-like punishment. If the Skins get fined the 2013 1st round draft pick, you can forget getting RG3. If the Skins quickly make the trade, before the punishment, the NFL may take the 2014 1st round pick. This means no 1st rounder 2 years in a row, plus and more picks we would give to the Rams.

This thing with Gregg Williams operating a bounty mission while in Washington was two head coaches and three defensive coordinators ago. Why would the Redskins, who are now operating from under an entirely different coaching regime be punished now for draft picks? That would unjust for Roger Goddell to hand out such a punishment. Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett have nothing to do with that because they weren't coaching the Redskins from 2004-2007. If Joe Gibbs was still the coach now, I'd say the NFL commissioner would have reason to discipline the Redskins. Williams most recent team, the New Orleans Saints, may very well receive swift punishment namely because Sean Payton is still their head coach.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This thing with Gregg Williams operating a bounty mission while in Washington was two head coaches and three defensive coordinators ago. Why would the Redskins, who are now operating from under an entirely different coaching regime be punished now for draft picks? That would unjust for Roger Goddell to hand out such a punishment. Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett have nothing to do with that because they weren't coaching the Redskins from 2004-2007. If Joe Gibbs was still the coach now, I'd say the NFL commissioner would have reason to discipline the Redskins. Williams most recent team, the New Orleans Saints, may very well receive swift punishment namely because Sean Payton is still their head coach.

The most damning thing for Payton and the Saints is they knew this was going on, and covered it up and lied to the league about it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Listen to Sharper's comments. We'll agree to disagree.

Did you bother to read my links about malicious intent? They were flat out trying to hurt guys. So you can disagree with the facts, that's fine.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Did you bother to read my links about malicious intent? They were flat out trying to hurt guys. So you can disagree with the facts, that's fine.

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

I am sure that there are some players out there that have the "intimidation" mentality. However, these bounties pretty much give incentives to players to hurt them to the point where it may jeopardize their career period.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

You're still just totally missing it. Yeah, Sean Taylor was a headhunter. It was his style long before he ever met GW. And I loved Sean. But he wasn't crushing guys just because GW told him to. He would have been out there doing that regardless of the coach, and the league would just be throwing flags and docking paychecks.

Coaching up and managing hotheaded players is a basic job duty of NFL coaches. Telling players you're gonna give them extra cash to purposely look to get a guy carted off the field is on a totally different level, and contradicts so much of what's good about the game of football.

As to your point in bold, GW is in the wrong, and you're cool with coaches breaking the rules. Gotcha.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I haven't seen any Saints players twisting anyone knees. That's silly. First of all if they're caught the penalty is too severe. The fine from the league would surpass any cash from the team's pot. GW isn't going around telling his guys to intentionally hurt a guy and Sharper backed that up. If you knock someone out of the game then so be it....as long as it's a clean hit.

Hmm. Not so silly it seems.

NFL.com news: Peterson is latest opponent to call out Saints for dirty play

AP: "Guys are going to try to take their shots when we're on the pile and try to twist it up and things like that. "I felt like it kind of got overboard. I got up and kind of got in his face. Thank God I was able to keep my composure."


Maybe Darren Sharper shouldn't be believed:


Peterson's accusations come one week after members of the Titans called Saints safety Roman Harper dirty for his play during the New Orleans' 22-17 win. The NFL fined Harper $15,000 for roughing the passer on a helmet-to-helmet hit in that game and another $7,500 for unnecessary roughness.