Ex Cardinal DB died in combat

[MTK]

wow, my heart goes out to his family, terrible news indeed.

[Phinehas]

Today, Pat Tillman is a hero in a way that no mere football player can ever be. Sometimes I think we spend too much time cheering on the wrong guys.

May God bless Pat and his family, and may God bless America.

--Phin

[Ghost]

What a waste of a human life ... war truly is the greatest evil on this earth. Peace to Pat Tillman and his family.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

It's people like Mr. Tillman who are the heart and soul of our country. When I first heard about him going to Iraq I thought about how strongly he must feel about serving his country. It takes a person with some very strong beliefs in my opinion to risk your life for your country while turning down a chance to live comfortably by playing a game. My prayers and respects go out to his friends and family. RIP

[BrudLee]

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)

RIP

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
RIP

Is that supposed to justify his death or make us feel guilty about not enlisting? I find your quote highly inappropriate and devoid of any value.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)

RIP

TREMENDOUS Brudlee! Great quote.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
RIP

My condolences to Pat Tillman's family and loved ones.
John Stewart Mill (1806-1873) died at the ripe old age of 67. In 1873 that is very old. He never fought in any war.
John Stewart Mill was an intellectual and lived a privileged life. He was educated entirely by his father, James Mill, and was deliberately shielded from association with other boys of his age. At the age of 21 he had a mental breakdown, that was later blamed on his father and the rigid way he brought him up.
It is typical that an intellectual, politician or President that never fought in a war says something like this....and ends up with the power to send people to war to die.
Regardless of the circumstances surrounding any given war.
It is easy for someone that never has been to war to say this .

[Phinehas]

War is sometimes the result of the greatest evils on earth and not the greatest evil itself.

--Phin

[Ghost]

I'm not going to debate this here. Pat Tillman did what he thought was right and I commend him for it. It's just a shame, that's all.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Ghost

I'm not going to debate this here. Pat Tillman did what he thought was right and I commend him for it. It's just a shame, that's all.

I agree and think that it would be an injustice to him to do so right now.

"What we have done for ourselves dies alone with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike-

[JoeRedskin]

To Pat Tillman:

Peace to your spirit, to your family and friends.

Thank you.



"Damn war to hell" - Me, 2004.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

"What we have done for ourselves dies alone with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike-

A very fitting quote, sft&t.

Army Ranger Pat Tillman is an immortal hero, and I can't find the words to express my gratitude and sorrow for the sacrifice he and others have so selflessly made for all of us.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I can't find the words to express my gratitude and sorrow for the sacrifice he and others have so selflessly made for all of us.

Amen to that JoeC - I think those words express the feelings just fine.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Anyone remember how Simeon Rice said Tillman wasn't that good at football (though he had over 200 tackles - a franchise record - one year and 153 (3rd most in the league) in 2000), that he probably joined up because he watched too many Rambo movies? I sent my share of hate mail to Rice and I hope you all do the same.