New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Did you bother to read my links about malicious intent? They were flat out trying to hurt guys. So you can disagree with the facts, that's fine.

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

I am sure that there are some players out there that have the "intimidation" mentality. However, these bounties pretty much give incentives to players to hurt them to the point where it may jeopardize their career period.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I am sure that there are some players out there that have the "intimidation" mentality. However, these bounties pretty much give incentives to players to hurt them to the point where it may jeopardize their career period.

So do you think when Sean Taylor laid the wood on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So do you think when Sean Taylor laid the wood on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style?

Look I can see there is no convincing you so I'm going to stop. I have my opinion, you have your own. It doesn't mean sh*t what we think, in the end this is in the hands of the NFL, the teams, the owners, and the players. Bottom line what happened is wrong, the NFL is changing, and we as fans have to deal with that.

There are things from the "good ol' days" that are good and some are bad (like many things in life). In the end, this is "wrong enough" that Williams, the Saints, and players are going to lose money over it and have their careers affected by it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Look I can see there is no convincing you so I'm going to stop. I have my opinion, you have your own. It doesn't mean sh*t what we think, in the end this is in the hands of the NFL, the teams, the owners, and the players. Bottom line what happened is wrong, the NFL is changing, and we as fans have to deal with that.

There are things from the "good ol' days" that are good and some are bad (like many things in life). In the end, this is "wrong enough" that Williams, the Saints, and players are going to lose money over it and have their careers affected by it.

Fair. But you still wouldn't answer the question, which is fine. I respect your opinion.

I just think that it was ok when Taylor was trying to destroy other teams players... and make NO MISTAKE about it... when he was hitting someone, he was doing it with the intent to HURT the opposing player. Not end a career, but take him out a few plays or whatever. And WE ALL cheered when he did it and that's what we loved him for, his intimidating ruthless style. He probbaly got extra cash for it. But when a Saints player does it, he's doing it with the intent to end a career. I think we have some hypocrites here.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fair. But you still wouldn't answer the question, which is fine. I respect your opinion.

I just think that it was ok when Taylor was trying to destroy other teams players... and make NO MISTAKE about it... when he was hitting someone, he was doing it with the intent to HURT the opposing player. Not end a career, but take him out a few plays or whatever. And WE ALL cheered when he did it and that's what we loved him for, his intimidating ruthless style. He probbaly got extra cash for it. But when a Saints player does it, he's doing it with the intent to end a career. I think we have some hypocrites here.

You continue to fail to see the line. If a player has a mindset (separate from what coaches are telling him to do) that he's gonna go out and headhunt, that's a whole different story. In that case, it's up to the coach to keep that same fire burning in the player, but coach him up to be smart and not do things that will cost the team, i.e. 15 yard penalties, suspensions, etc.

It's a whole different story when a coach is actually encouraging and paying guys to go try to get someone carted off the field. It's so wrong.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You continue to fail to see the line. If a player has a mindset (separate from what coaches are telling him to do) that he's gonna go out and headhunt, that's a whole different story. In that case, it's up to the coach to keep that same fire burning in the player, but coach him up to be smart and not do things that will cost the team, i.e. 15 yard penalties, suspensions, etc.

It's a whole different story when a coach is actually encouraging and paying guys to go try to get someone carted off the field. It's so wrong.

It's like a platoon sergeant telling his soldiers to shoot by-standing citizens.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You continue to fail to see the line. If a player has a mindset (separate from what coaches are telling him to do) that he's gonna go out and headhunt, that's a whole different story. In that case, it's up to the coach to keep that same fire burning in the player, but coach him up to be smart and not do things that will cost the team, i.e. 15 yard penalties, suspensions, etc.

It's a whole different story when a coach is actually encouraging and paying guys to go try to get someone carted off the field. It's so wrong.

I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So do you think when Sean Taylor laid the wood on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style?

Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing

And the "Dirty Sanchez" is drawing a mustache on her.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing

they have carls jr in va?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by los panda

they have carls jr in va?

they're called Hardees

[los panda]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

they're called Hardees

interesting. what is the big carl called? it's their version of a big mac

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.

Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.

You're still just totally missing it. Yeah, Sean Taylor was a headhunter. It was his style long before he ever met GW. And I loved Sean. But he wasn't crushing guys just because GW told him to. He would have been out there doing that regardless of the coach, and the league would just be throwing flags and docking paychecks.

Coaching up and managing hotheaded players is a basic job duty of NFL coaches. Telling players you're gonna give them extra cash to purposely look to get a guy carted off the field is on a totally different level, and contradicts so much of what's good about the game of football.

As to your point in bold, GW is in the wrong, and you're cool with coaches breaking the rules. Gotcha.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're still just totally missing it. Yeah, Sean Taylor was a headhunter. It was his style long before he ever met GW. And I loved Sean. But he wasn't crushing guys just because GW told him to. He would have been out there doing that regardless of the coach, and the league would just be throwing flags and docking paychecks.

Coaching up and managing hotheaded players is a basic job duty of NFL coaches. Telling players you're gonna give them extra cash to purposely look to get a guy carted off the field is on a totally different level, and contradicts so much of what's good about the game of football.

As to your point in bold, GW is in the wrong, and you're cool with coaches breaking the rules. Gotcha.

And neither were the other guys. They're going to try and get a kill shot where there's extra insentive or not. They're not any different from Taylor, only they weren't as talented as Sean was. Any NFL safety or defesnsive player wants to get a hard hit and knock a guy out. If he gets extra cash in front of his teammates as a reward then so be it. No one is trying to end anyone's career. I don't see any Jack Tatum's out there.

GW should be punished cause he was told to stop and he didn't. I already said that.