Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Haven't we been down this dog and pony show before? Why do fans always fall for this short term fix? I don't even see why Manning would come here. His RT and best TE are one puff away from being done. No wr's. Shaky o-line. I just don't see him coming here.

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

This is what I am saying except why can't we sign all of those people (plus maybe Wayne or V-Jax) and still trade picks to pick RGIII to learn behind Manning (Rodgers style).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

This is what I am saying except why can't we sign all of those people (plus maybe Wayne or V-Jax) and still trade picks to pick RGIII to learn behind Manning (Rodgers style).

My understanding of PM is that he is a rep hog in practices. I believe that's part of why Indy had no viable backup. If that is the case, and again it's not like I know it personally, then any qb that comes in isn't going to learn as much as he would behind an Orton for example. PM is an elite qb, maybe you learn something, but I think his presence tended to make the backup, and maybe even QB coach less focused, since they both knew PM was going to be directing everything.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My understanding of PM is that he is a rep hog in practices. I believe that's part of why Indy had no viable backup. If that is the case, and again it's not like I know it personally, then any qb that comes in isn't going to learn as much as he would behind an Orton for example. PM is an elite qb, maybe you learn something, but I think his presence tended to make the backup, and maybe even QB coach less focused, since they both knew PM was going to be directing everything.

Although the Colts didn't get that one would hope the back up QB is watching and trying to replicate even if it's after practice with the WR's or back up WR's. replicating PM in the film room and trying to be the best they can be in case they have to step in. Plus with PM's age you don't want to wear him out prior to Sun. so I'd imagine the back up would get some playing time.

edit: meaning practice time so PM can rest his arm and whatever else.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

Now thats an offseason id love

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

We're not getting Blackmon cause he'll be gone by #6. Royal and Garcon are just ho hum NFL wr's. I guess Manning will make them better. I'd take Grubbs. I just don't buy into this gas up Redskins One, off season show anymore. I'm just not investing in a 36 year Qb with a bad neck. All the fans will get excited and then the chemistry won't be there and it will be a let down all over again. This isn't fantasy football.

Why can't we just draft Cousins and start him day one?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We're not getting Blackmon cause he'll be gone by #6. Royal and Garcon are just ho hum NFL wr's. I guess Manning will make them better. I'd take Grubbs. I just don't buy into this gas up Redskins One, off season show anymore. I'm just not investing in a 36 year Qb with a bad neck. All the fans will get excited and then the chemistry won't be there and it will be a let down all over again. This isn't fantasy football.

Why can't we just draft Cousins and start him day one?

??? I'm confused, who has a bad neck?

3 specialists have said PM is 100% healed and can take a hit. There is no bad neck. You could argue a QB with nerve damage but it appears he is recovering well from that too as seen on the video. So what QB are you refering to with a bad neck that the Skins are supposedly interested in?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

??? I'm confused, who has a bad neck?

3 specialists have said PM is 100% healed and can take a hit. There is no bad neck. You could argue a QB with nerve damage but it appears he is recovering well from that too as seen on the video. So what QB are you refering to with a bad neck that the Skins are supposedly interested in?

Was Demarcus Ware breathing down his neck? No. Everyone looks great when there's no pass rush. Oh..and how do you figure he's going to hold up with our shaky o-line? Sorry but I just can't invest in a 36 year old qb who sat out a year cause he had to have multiple neck procedures that sucked the life out of his arm. Too risky. Again, why can't we just go out and get our own guy? Build around him for the next 12-15 years...like all the other winning organizations do.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Was Demarcus Ware breathing down his neck? No. Everyone looks great when there's no pass rush. Oh..and how do you figure he's going to hold up with our shaky o-line? Sorry but I just can't invest in a 36 year old qb who sat out a year cause he had to have multiple neck procedures that sucked the life out of his arm. Too risky. Again, why can't we just go out and get our own guy? Build around him for the next 12-15 years...like all the other winning organizations do.

Why does it have to be one or the other? What if it's Manning and Tannehill or Cousins, still feel the same way? Wouldn't that address going for it now while building for the next decade?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Was Demarcus Ware breathing down his neck? No. Everyone looks great when there's no pass rush. Oh..and how do you figure he's going to hold up with our shaky o-line? Sorry but I just can't invest in a 36 year old qb who sat out a year cause he had to have multiple neck procedures that sucked the life out of his arm. Too risky. Again, why can't we just go out and get our own guy? Build around him for the next 12-15 years...like all the other winning organizations do.

My point is Montana had the same surgery and took some serious hits and he did fine. They say every year several players have this surgery. I thought several had the same surgery last year and only PM was the one not playing. If there was any situation where the doctors felt his neck surgery put him in a postition to be paralized or break on a serious hit they wouldn't clear him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

My point is Montana had the same surgery and took some serious hits and he did fine. They say every year several players have this surgery. I thought several had the same surgery last year and only PM was the one not playing. If there was any situation where the doctors felt his neck surgery put him in a postition to be paralized or break on a serious hit they wouldn't clear him.

Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.

Montana had a lumbar back fusion not neck.


Why can't skins fans want to cultivate their own superstar? It seems that they always want someone elses reject. Manning is a reject at this point.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.

Ok point taken on Montana. However there are other players who have gotten the same surgery and continued playing. The QB position is one of the most protected positions. And I'll repeat if the doctors thought there was any danger he would not be talked about right now cause it would read PM forced to retire.

I understand the nerve and bis arm issue, also know his doctors have said it could take weeks or months before progress is seen but when it starts it could heal fast ss in most cases and we know his has started or he would most likely not be throwing so well.



I'm confused how PM hinders this team from filling other holes? All this would do is assure us Grossman would not be coming back. Unless you guys want Grossman back? No matter what they do in the draft MS and KS will have a Vet QB on this team and I'd prefer it be PM with all his knowledge vs. the others.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

Lol, thats most of our $47 million in cap room right there. Put in at lest $15 for Manning (could be as high as $20). At least $8 or $9 for Garcon. $2 or $3 for Royal. And then make it around $9 or $10 for Grubbs.

*All numbers shown in millions.