Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)

[GTripp0012]

Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

I guess this will all depend on what Snyder thinks about the first two seasons under MS. They were a waste and little progress was done on the offensive side of the ball. I think getting the best QB prospect that the Redskins can reasonably get, may sway Snyder to give him another season after this to see how this all works out.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

Hmmm I was thinking the exact opposite Tripp. With Griffin the Shanny's can say this is a work in progress and buy another year maybe. With Peyton, if you don't start winning right away, and more than 8 or 9 games btw, you have to seriously start to question Mike's coaching.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

People are severely underestimating this part of the equation. It's not that I want Shanahan to fail but his system does require a lot of different personel on offense. The potential for roster turnover is high if he does fail. A QB like RG3 would go a long way towards damage control.

Also remember part of the reason Bruce Allen and Gruden failed in Tampa was after a while they were playing musical chairs with the QB position after Brad Johnson left. I mean they did put together a great supporting cast but had trouble doing better then 9-7 due to the problems at QB. I doubt Allen forgot that.

Talking about the supporting cast when you have NO viable options at QB is like being in the emergency room with a heart attack and focusing on how to improve the patients diet to prevent another heart attack rather than dealing with the problem at hand.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

Predictable disagreement time (yay!).. Unless we go into 2012 with Rex and Beck again at QB and fail miserably (2-14 fail), Shanny is here regardless.

Snyder knows this is his last chance at respectability and credibility as an owner and is not going to fire Shanahan midway through his first contract. Everyone has said that Shanahan told Snyder this was a 5 year job and he was building it for the long term, not a rapid fix. Shanahan has admitted that he underestimated how poor the roster was when he got here and has made steps to turn the roster over completely (almost). Allen is the buffer and is close enough to Snyder to talk sense into him about making a rash move.

All that being said, if Snyder is more focused on selling jerseys than winning (as he's been accused of) and is desperately seeking A) a franchise QB he has so coveted and B) a face of the franchise to market endlessly, then why would he fire and undo all the work of the man who brings all of that to the team in Griffin? That dog just don't hunt.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Predictable disagreement time (yay!).. Unless we go into 2012 with Rex and Beck again at QB and fail miserably (2-14 fail), Shanny is here regardless.

Snyder knows this is his last chance at respectability and credibility as an owner and is not going to fire Shanahan midway through his first contract. Everyone has said that Shanahan told Snyder this was a 5 year job and he was building it for the long term, not a rapid fix. Shanahan has admitted that he underestimated how poor the roster was when he got here and has made steps to turn the roster over completely (almost). Allen is the buffer and is close enough to Snyder to talk sense into him about making a rash move.

All that being said, if Snyder is more focused on selling jerseys than winning (as he's been accused of) and is desperately seeking A) a franchise QB he has so coveted and B) a face of the franchise to market endlessly, then why would he fire and undo all the work of the man who brings all of that to the team in Griffin? That dog just don't hunt.

Mike's statement is completely meaningless. If there's no improvement in three years he absolutely doesn't deserve a fourth, let alone a fifth. I think the question is whether improvement will be in the form of a (significantly) better record this season or molding the franchise QB.

The other outcome is we're neither significantly improved this season nor molding a franchise QB, and then retaining the Shanny regime would just be stupid.