Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are.

How can you say this with any certainty at this point? Just like with draft classes, this probably cannot be accurately judged for at least 3 years. What happens if the Rams picks in '12 are busts, we go on an incredible run and their pick in '13 is #28 and in '14 is #32 with RGIII as league rookie of the year in '12 and MVP in '13? Is it still a clear win for the Rams?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting those things to happen but all of the 'we got screwed' crap is rather annoying. How about wait and see?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.

You can change your sig now, I think it's a given that Sav Rocca is no longer our best offensive weapon.

Also I kinda agree with Paintrain, as with any draft trades, or any draft picks in general, I think a minimum 3 year waiting period before declaring a winner makes sense. As of now the odds are in the Rams favor, but a lot can change once players take the field.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.

How can you conclude who won or lost a trade the day after it happened? If Bradford ends up not being that great and RG3 is an all pro QB then the Rams should have kept the pick and drafted RG3 for themselves. There are many ways it can play out...i just dont see how you can declare the rams the clear winner of the trade today. If RG3 is a great player he's worth double what they gave up and then some. The bottom line is this trade will be judged based on RG3's career and that has not even started yet...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

How can you conclude who won or lost a trade the day after it happened? If Bradford ends up not being that great and RG3 is an all pro QB then the Rams should have kept the pick and drafted RG3 for themselves. There are many ways it can play out...i just dont see how you can declare the rams the clear winner of the trade today. If RG3 is a great player he's worth double what they gave up and then some. The bottom line is this trade will be judged based on RG3's career and that has not even started yet...

I think it's fair to judge it twice. The Rams got more than they ever could have dreamed of getting. Even if we look back on it and think: man, that Bradford is a stiff, they would have been better off with Griffin -- which we might -- they got enough first rounders to replace Bradford if need be.

You can't really judge this trade by how well the Rams draft with those picks anyway, just by how much Griffin would have improved their team over Bradford.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think it's fair to judge it twice. The Rams got more than they ever could have dreamed of getting. Even if we look back on it and think: man, that Bradford is a stiff, they would have been better off with Griffin -- which we might -- they got enough first rounders to replace Bradford if need be.

You can't really judge this trade by how well the Rams draft with those picks anyway, just by how much Griffin would have improved their team over Bradford.

I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line

If Griffin is decidedly better than Bradford then we kicked ass.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line

Well, even then, it still requires Ryan Tannehill to be something short of a real NFL quarterback.

If Bradford is out of the league in three years and Griffin goes on to be Robert Griffin, then the Rams probably didn't get enough to justify their decision to not pick Griffin. But they couldn't have done any better in the trade market. And so yes, they still win.

I don't think we can just go out and set expectations for Griffin so high as to win games by himself with the roster as currently constructed. I think we have to be very accepting that if Griffin ends up being a periodicly exciting, often frustrating, quality NFL starter who does get a big money second contract from the Redskins, well, that's what the second overall pick is supposed to get you. Steve McNair and Kerry Collins weren't draft busts. They played in Super Bowls.

IMO, the expectations for Griffin will be tied to what the Redskins gave up for him, but the Redskins were likely just being shortsighted.

[los panda]

rg3 at #2, is that going to be a 4yr/$25M deal?

[NM Redskin]

Casserly likes the trade, said he do the exact same thing. Nice!

[Swarley]

I think it's easy to see things in the context of how the rest of the league operates and say that we gave up a lot. No other team has really put so many eggs in one basket like we have with this move. However I choose to look at this move in comparison to both our recent success and our recent drafts. Something had to be done and this is definitely something. Sure we're missing out on 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder but at the same time plenty of teams miss on those picks regardless. If RGIII comes in and raises our level of success with multiple playoff runs and some division championships the move will be justified in my eyes even with out a Superbowl win. We've had numerous 1st rounders come in over the years and it's amounted to just about nothing so I'm okay with missing out on 2 first round picks in order to get a player like RGIII.

I really think we've been so starved for success that this was a necessary move in every way.

[CultBrennan59]

I agree that RG3 will have a better rookie season than Luck. Luck, right now, is set up to be awful in Indy. They took away all his weapons. Who is running the ball? Who is he throwing to? Who on the defense is going to make a play?

That alone makes RG3 better than Luck. Depending on what sports show you watch, a lot of analysts believe that the skins were a QB away from being a playoff team. RG3 is that perfect missing puzzle piece.

But yeah, wouldn't that be something if the Colts came out and said with the first pick the colts select robert griffin...I'd be happy with Luck but damn that'd be great either way. Its like saying who would you rather have Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. Great situation we're in.

[Shadowbyte]

Even if Barkely would of came out this year we still would of needed to give up atleast one extra first to trade up because he wouldn't of made it to #6. Now they're saying Tannehill won't make it past # 4.

[Alvin Walton]

So.....#10......do we give him Jay Schroeders old number?

[TexSkins]

This is an amazing feeling. The first game at FedEx will be crazy. I wish I could be there but I have a feeling the Skins are about to get more national exposure

[NYCskinfan82]

Just finished reading all the post, only heard of the trade this afternoon, had a date nite with the Wife last nite long over due. I'm all in on this trade I wanted Bradford but I have NO problems with RG3. Did anyone see the PM press conference when he got released from Indy, Jim Irsay is an idiot Emmmm, RRRRRR, Emmmmm, RRRRRR, there's still a chance we get Luck although I want RG3 now.