Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

I get sick of hearing how deficient this team is currently. Think about our games last year. If Grossman and Beck wasn't our QB we could've easily won probably 5 more games.

You must have missed a lot of drops by our receivers, or the terrible O line play due to starters being injured, etc. Fred Davis, Fletch, Kerrigan and Helu were our heroes last season, that was pretty much it. Hightower was fine till he got banged up, then he broke his leg. Just before he broke his leg he was only getting 2 ypg his last two games. Also, I think our starting O line isn't really all that hot. Throw in the probability of losing Landry and Fletch and well you have a lot of holes, especially if they trade Orakpo to try and get some picks back. Now we have to pray we find another Cooley gem or two in the mid to late rounds this season to actually make the 2-7 rounds worthwhile.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You must have missed a lot of drops by our receivers, or the terrible O line play due to starters being injured, etc. Fred Davis, Fletch, Kerrigan and Helu were our heroes last season, that was pretty much it. Hightower was fine till he got banged up, then he broke his leg. Just before he broke his leg he was only getting 2 ypg his last two games. Also, I think our starting O line isn't really all that hot. Throw in the probability of losing Landry and Fletch and well you have a lot of holes, especially if they trade Orakpo to try and get some picks back. Now we have to pray we find another Cooley gem or two in the mid to late rounds this season to actually make the 2-7 rounds worthwhile.

Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

Neither did the Colts with Manning. He made those players good. Look what happened when he got hurt. The team fell to $h!t. Just chill out a bit and see how this thing rides out....

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

Yes, we have holes but a great QB makes a team better. Place some of the Patriots offensive playmakers on the Skins with Grossman at QB and see how great they do.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

Yes, we have holes but a great QB makes a team better. Place some of the Patriots offensive playmakers on the Skins with Grossman at QB and see how great they do.

That's just the thing though. We're not getting a great QB. We're getting a great QB prospect. And a prospect needs his teammates to pick up some of the slack early in his career so he can pay it back on the back end.

To be clear, by the time we're talking about Griffin carrying us, you're talking 2016, 2017, 2018. Only one QB drafted by the Redskins since the merger made it that far into his career before being forced out of town.

In the mean time, what you KNOW you have in Griffin is a viable starter at the quarterback position. Which we've had in plenty of other years from Grossman to McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Johnson, etc.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's just the thing though. We're not getting a great QB. We're getting a great QB prospect. And a prospect needs his teammates to pick up some of the slack early in his career so he can pay it back on the back end.

To be clear, by the time we're talking about Griffin carrying us, you're talking 2016, 2017, 2018. Only one QB drafted by the Redskins since the merger made it that far into his career before being forced out of town.

In the mean time, what you KNOW you have in Griffin is a viable starter at the quarterback position. Which we've had in plenty of other years from Grossman to McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Johnson, etc.

I agree.
for 3 first rounders and a 2nd...do you think we could have gotten Drew Breese?..or any pro bowl QB out there?....I say ....possibly.
This guy is an unknown commodity...and yes...the skins paid way too much...I am bummed, but at least I am hopeful

[Hail to the Redskins]

How about we all just look at it this way... AND IN THIS ORDER....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I agree.
for 3 first rounders and a 2nd...do you think we could have gotten Drew Breese?..or any pro bowl QB out there?....I say ....possibly.
This guy is an unknown commodity...and yes...the skins paid way too much...I am bummed, but at least I am hopeful

Yeah, though Drew Brees' franchise tag is exclusive specifically so we couldn't have signed him for less than it cost to get RG3.

The list of QBs you couldn't have got for this price is Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers and maybe Eli?

You probably could have gotten Matthew Stafford for this price. I think at least.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's just the thing though. We're not getting a great QB. We're getting a great QB prospect. And a prospect needs his teammates to pick up some of the slack early in his career so he can pay it back on the back end.

To be clear, by the time we're talking about Griffin carrying us, you're talking 2016, 2017, 2018. Only one QB drafted by the Redskins since the merger made it that far into his career before being forced out of town.

In the mean time, what you KNOW you have in Griffin is a viable starter at the quarterback position. Which we've had in plenty of other years from Grossman to McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Johnson, etc.

True, but we may have missed out on a great QB if we didn't make the trade. Ya never know........

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

True, but we may have missed out on a great QB if we didn't make the trade. Ya never know........

Well, all great QBs are prospects first.

I was just saying that RG3 isn't going to carry the team and make everyone else better first year out of college. He might be better than expected in year one. He actually probably will be. But we're still not a great team yet. And this definitely hurts the ability for us to draft a great team.

We can try to sign a team still. Lots of talent out there. But it's been mixed results in the past.