NFL taking away Redskins cap space

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

With all due respect,

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

It's not that big of a deal...

[SBXVII]

Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.

They can't put brakes on the entire process. Push it into next year and the. Get into court. It's dumb to freeze the whole league to sort this out.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

They can't put brakes on the entire process. Push it into next year and the. Get into court. It's dumb to freeze the whole league to sort this out.

and thats my point. Either stop the whole NFL process since they seemed to wait till the last minute to bring it up or hold off with any punishments until the team or both teams can argue their cases. One would hope there is an appeal process for this and that the punishement is held off untill the appeal can be heard.

I just don't see how Collusion applies;
Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com

col·lu·sion

   /kəˈluʒən/ Show Spelled[kuh-loo-zhuhn] Show IPA
noun 1. a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.

2. Law . a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

Ok so
A- who did the Skins have a secret agreement with?
B- who was frauded?
C- for what treacherous purposes?

the second definition;
A- who did the Skins have a secret understanding with?
B- how did the Skins gain anything legally?
C- who's rights were defrauded?
D- who was our adversary in agreement?

Please don't say we colluded with Dallas to defraud the other owners of their rights to what? get below the CAP? WTF? and if it was illegal wouldn't the Feds be getting involved? Oh wait... there was no rule or law against it. So at this point all the owners can do is come together in their monthly meeting and all agree they don't want it to happen again and then pass some rule saying they can't do it. Otherwise.... get off our backs because you all didn't think of it.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

and thats my point. Either stop the whole NFL process since they seemed to wait till the last minute to bring it up or hold off with any punishments until the team or both teams can argue their cases. One would hope there is an appeal process for this and that the punishement is held off untill the appeal can be heard.

I just don't see how Collusion applies;
Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com



Ok so
A- who did the Skins have a secret agreement with?ju
B- who was frauded?
C- for what treacherous purposes?

the second definition;
A- who did the Skins have a secret understanding with?
B- how did the Skins gain anything legally?
C- who's rights were defrauded?
D- who was our adversary in agreement?

Please don't say we colluded with Dallas to defraud the other owners of their rights to what? get below the CAP? WTF? and if it was illegal wouldn't the Feds be getting involved? Oh wait... there was no rule or law against it. So at this point all the owners can do is come together in their monthly meeting and all agree they don't want it to happen again and then pass some rule saying they can't do it. Otherwise.... get off our backs because you all didn't think of it.

No one said the skins colluded. The league colluded and the skins and cowboys essentially did not

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No one said the skins colluded. The league colluded and the skins and cowboys essentially did not

So in reality the League broke the law and are trying to make the 2 teams who chose not to collude pay a price. Um, where is the NFLPA? shouldn't they be crying foul of some sort? against the other 30 teams?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I just don't see how Collusion applies;
Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com

In 2010 the NFL OWNERS colluded to artificial hold down player salaries and not dump money in the uncapped year. the redskin and cowboys (among many others) did.

[JWsleep]

Here's what I think happened and why there won't be any lawsuit:

To get the CBA, Danny and Jerry pushed through a number of things, including the uncapped year (which, of course, the players were fine with). The worry was, "hey, you rich guys are going to make a mockery of the whole cap idea in that year!!" Jerry and Danny said, "no, no, we agree--informally--to not dump money during the uncapped year. If we do, y'all can punish us."

Then they went and flaunted the agreement (so it seemed to the "poor" owners). The league signed off on the contracts it did to avoid rocking the boat with the NFLPA (speculation here). But the poor owners thought, **** you rich guys--we'll get you later, as best we can.

This is their attempt to do so. Jerry and Danny are on-board with the CBA and the informal agreement, so what are they supposed to do? They sue their own league? But they were a part of all negotiations and signed off on everything. The details of this informal agreement are key, though. Did they agree in detail on how teams would be punished? Is there an appeals process? Etc. If there is no good recourse here (beyond pulling out of the NFL or something), the skins and boys will eat this and get their revenge later. They've got the money--they support other teams with their largess. I take it the CBA was pushed through to Jerry and Danny's liking and this is the blow-back.

I take it the owner of the Bears is not seen in the same light as Jerry and Danny. Hence, their lack of a penalty. Apparently, the Packers have some questionable stuff too, as do most teams. But we did do the most, so I guess we deserve the worst punishment. But THIRTY SIX MILLION??? That's the "blindsided" bit, I am sure. That's the whole amount "dumped" rather than the amount above 30% or whatever it was. And that money comes straight out of our cap and into the "poor" owners'.

What's especially ****ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries.

This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

What's especially ****ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries.

This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post.

As Rich Tandler put it...

Rich Tandler ‏ @Rich_Tandler
So the NFLPA agreed to take $46 million from the #Redskins and #Cowboys, who would spend it, to teams like the Bengals and Bucs who won't.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

As Rich Tandler put it...

Rich Tandler ‏ @Rich_Tandler
So the NFLPA agreed to take $46 million from the #Redskins and #Cowboys, who would spend it, to teams like the Bengals and Bucs who won't.

This is why the players union should be effffffffing livid.

I cant believe the league office is trying to pull this shit 24 hours before free agency.

[MonkFan4Life]

This is how Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones probably feel

Pulp Fiction - 07 - Butch & Marsellus (Part 2) - YouTube

[Ruhskins]

REDSKINS Statement on the Cap Penalties:

The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports

I think Danny may come out guns blazing.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

REDSKINS Statement on the Cap Penalties:

The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports

I think Danny may come out guns blazing.

“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Hmmmmm. Is it to early to celebrate? I mean Adam Schefter is confirming that the Redskins will indeed be docked.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Hmmmmm. Is it to early to celebrate? I mean Adam Schefter is confirming that the Redskins will indeed be docked.

Not celebration, but it seems that the Redskins are not going to take this laying down.