NFL taking away Redskins cap space

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame.

Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

But this is the NFL, which does what it wants and makes up the rules as it goes along. The Cowboys and the Redskins surely know that, and the fact that they were the only two teams found to have engaged egregiously enough in this behavior to deserve a huge loss of salary-cap space indicates that they should have known better.

Cowboys, Redskins punished ... but why? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

I expect the league to follow actual rules. Not make shit up as they go along. It's sort of how a civilized society works.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I expect the league to follow actual rules. Not make shit up as they go along. It's sort of how a civilized society works.

Or to enforce the rules by not approving restructured contracts that violate their own rules (if that is the case).

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

Except we were following the rules and the league was attempting to collude to void the prior rules set forth in the prior CBA which specifically said that there was to be an uncapped year.

The uncapped year was something that to which all parties had agreed (players and owners). The uncapped year had been included as an intended poison pill. The owners knew what could happen as a result of it when they agreed to it - essentially, the salary cap would be busted for at least a year. That was the specific intent of that provision - to destroy the limitations created by the salary cap in hopes that it would be an incentive for the teams to reup the prior CBA. It failed to do so and some of the intended effects occurred.

The NFL management is now saying "We are punishing you for taking advantage of what this provision was specifically intended to do (f*** up the salary cap system)". IMHO, this is simply wrong and probably a violation of the labor laws governing collective bargining.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

IMHO, this is simply wrong and probably a violation of the labor laws governing collective bargining.

Glad a lawyer (you are a lawyer right?) agreed on this. It HAS to be collusion. It is almost textbook from my half-assed understanding of it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Glad a lawyer (you are a lawyer right?) agreed on this. It HAS to be collusion. It is almost textbook from my half-assed understanding of it.

No. I just play one on TV.

Yes. I am lawyer, but labor law is a world unto itself in many ways and not my area of expertise. At the same time, for all the reasons stated in this thread, it seems to me to be a clear violation of the prior CBA and collusion among the owners to avoid the ramifications of their prior agreement.

Further, has a negative impact on the current players. As someone else already stated, the Skins had money in hand and were ready to spend. I think the current NFLPA should be pretty upset about this as it is harmful to the current UFA's out there.

Not sure what, if any, the legal recourse is for the Skins. Maybe an injunctive action alleging that the NFL is punishing them for not acting illegally.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No. I just play one on TV.

Yes. I am lawyer, but labor law is a world unto itself in many ways and not my area of expertise. At the same time, for all the reasons stated in this thread, it seems to me to be a clear violation of the prior CBA and collusion among the owners to avoid the ramifications of their prior agreement.

Further, has a negative impact on the current players. As someone else already stated, the Skins had money in hand and were ready to spend. I think the current NFLPA should be pretty upset about this as it is harmful to the current UFA's out there.

Not sure what, if any, the legal recourse is for the Skins. Maybe an injunctive action alleging that the NFL is punishing them for not acting illegally.

all other teams aside from the saints, raiders and cowboys will all receive a check from the redskins. thats the reason the nflpa went along with this, the money still gets spent just not by us. so we are giving the giants and the eagles botha bout 1.5 million for them to spend in free agency, you can go ahead and vomit now.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

understood, but this song and dance is getting very old very quick

Cowboys, Redskins punished ... but why? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

And again, while they don't appear to have broken any actual league rule that's on the books, they do appear to have been warned. So, they're being punished. In the NFL's world, you pretty much have to do what the NFL tells you to do.

all of these unspoken rules, unclairified rules, bs fines, and crazy suspensions are adding up really fast. i really hope goodell knows what the f he is doing, he is definitely taking the nfl in a new direction. i just hope it's the right way. he really needs to have some clarity with the owners and player on what any and all new rules are. i look at this as the way players are getting fined for "illegal" hits. the nfl gives some vague guidelines and then starts fining some players for certain hits and not fining other players for very similiar hits. there just seems to be entirely too much gray area in the nfl these days.