NFL taking away Redskins cap space

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Jayroc24

I guess my next question is how is that Allen nor the Boys's have not received something official yet? It is just media putting this out there? Has to be something from the commish office right?

They won't send it in writing because it's not legal and it will prove collusion if they do. This is not gonna hold up in court that's why the Redskins need to get an injunction...fighting it after they lose out on the players they want to sign does them no good.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

They won't send it in writing because it's not legal and it will prove collusion if they do. This is not gonna hold up in court that's why the Redskins need to get an injunction...fighting it after they lose out on the players they want to sign does them no good.

in theory and principle, i wholeheartedly agree with you. however, i am 99% sure that this is not a matter that can be litigated, so court isnt an option. the skins could probably appeal to goodell and he will just say no. its awful, and im sure the skins will try to fight it somehow, but i'm not sure how. in the end, i dont see this being overturned. the league and players both approved it already. the most i can see happening is goodell allowing the skins and cowboys to spread the hit into 2014, when the cap will increase dramatically due to the new tv deals.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

in theory and principle, i wholeheartedly agree with you. however, i am 99% sure that this is not a matter that can be litigated, so court isnt an option. the skins could probably appeal to goodell and he will just say no. its awful, and im sure the skins will try to fight it somehow, but i'm not sure how. in the end, i dont see this being overturned. the league and players both approved it already. the most i can see happening is goodell allowing the skins and cowboys to spread the hit into 2014, when the cap will increase dramatically due to the new tv deals.

What are you basing your belief that they can not fight this in court on? The league is penalized them for contracts that they approved in an UNCAPPED year. This is a slam dunk in court. There is nothing in the CBA that allows them to do this...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

What are you basing your belief that they can not fight this in court on? The league is penalized them for contracts that they approved in an UNCAPPED year. This is a slam dunk in court. There is nothing in the CBA that allows them to do this...

a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Lotus

a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.

The other owners just threw Danny & jerry under the bus for nothing. Why on earth would you think that they are just going to bend over and take it for the sake of the greater good? No chance. This is going to court unless the owners cave and give back ever penny of that cap room...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

The other owners just threw Danny & jerry under the bus for nothing. Why on earth would you think that they are just going to bend over and take it for the sake of the greater good? No chance. This is going to court unless the owners cave and give back ever penny of that cap room...

The other owners did not throw Danny and Jerry under the bus "for nothing." They threw Danny and Jerry under the bus for spite and jealousy.

Once Danny and Jerry have been properly poked in the eye (and start threatening retaliatory lawsuits), the other owners should feel like they got what they wanted (a sense of spiteful revenge) and back down.

My two cents.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The other owners did not throw Danny and Jerry under the bus "for nothing." They threw Danny and Jerry under the bus for spite and jealousy.

Once Danny and Jerry have been properly poked in the eye (and start threatening retaliatory lawsuits), the other owners should feel like they got what they wanted (a sense of spiteful revenge) and back down.

My two cents.

I'll second this.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.

regarding a), it works both ways. i'm sure the owners have tons of dirty laundry on danny and jerry, so that wouldnt be a factor.

b) i agree with you there. i honestly think the skins and cowboys are going to see if they can talk this out to atleast get it reduced. if not, i think they'll just take their lumps now and hold this in their back pockets until they need a "favor" of some sort.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.

Strongly disagree with your point (b). It's the Redskins, Cowboys, and the other big market teams that feed the rest of the NFL. The small market teams are the ones who bit the hand that feeds them and from now on that hand is going to smack them in the mouth whenever it gets the chance to do so.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.

Your right it won't see a court room cause the League will not want their laundry aired. But I'm guessing we will have to bite the bullet for now spend what we can. Then handle our draft. Then after the draft file an appeal or law suit against the NFL. I really wish the NFLPA would step up and get involved in this. That alone would make the other Owners back off. I think.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Your right it won't see a court room cause the League will not want their laundry aired. But I'm guessing we will have to bite the bullet for now spend what we can. Then handle our draft. Then after the draft file an appeal or law suit against the NFL. I really wish the NFLPA would step up and get involved in this. That alone would make the other Owners back off. I think.

Nevermind, mooby said it. The NFLPA has already signed off on the cap thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Nevermind, mooby said it. The NFLPA has already signed off on the cap thing.

I got your back.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

in theory and principle, i wholeheartedly agree with you. however, i am 99% sure that this is not a matter that can be litigated, so court isnt an option. the skins could probably appeal to goodell and he will just say no. its awful, and im sure the skins will try to fight it somehow, but i'm not sure how. in the end, i dont see this being overturned. the league and players both approved it already. the most i can see happening is goodell allowing the skins and cowboys to spread the hit into 2014, when the cap will increase dramatically due to the new tv deals.

I see it being overturned or significantly mitigated. You are right: this is not really an issue for the courts or for Goodell. It is an issue for the owner's meetings at the end of the month. The owners can (and I expect will) reduce this to something smaller.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I see it being overturned or significantly mitigated. You are right: this is not really an issue for the courts or for Goodell. It is an issue for the owner's meetings at the end of the month. The owners can (and I expect will) reduce this to something smaller.

Hold on, it could be a court issue for the players union. If the owners say there was an agreement then the owners colluded and the union would have an arguement that the owners were colluding during the lockout. But whats being said is there was an agreement but had the League not permitted the deals then the players union would have been tipped off and no CBA would have been signed and they would have gone to court over collusion.

Instead the League approved the deals in order to keep the peace and get a new CBA signed. They can't go back and now cry fould with out pointing out that they were colluding at the time which gives the NFLPA the right to take the owners to court over collusion during the lockout.

either they were colluding or they were not. If they were not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If the Skins and Boys broke an agreement then the owners just proved they were colluding against the NFLPA.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Hold on, it could be a court issue for the players union. If the owners say there was an agreement then the owners colluded and the union would have an arguement that the owners were colluding during the lockout. But whats being said is there was an agreement but had the League not permitted the deals then the players union would have been tipped off and no CBA would have been signed and they would have gone to court over collusion.

Instead the League approved the deals in order to keep the peace and get a new CBA signed. They can't go back and now cry fould with out pointing out that they were colluding at the time which gives the NFLPA the right to take the owners to court over collusion during the lockout.

either they were colluding or they were not. If they were not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If the Skins and Boys broke an agreement then the owners just proved they were colluding against the NFLPA.

Well we know the NFLPA won't take the NFL to court over the alleged collusion because the NFL blackmailed them into agreeing on the punishment for the Skins and Cowboys. So if this does go to court (which I believe it won't) it will be the Skins and Cowboys against the NFL. At which point we can pretty much lose all hope that the NFL will cut us any slack for anything over the next 20 years, because that's the standard MO after a team (80's Raiders) sues the league and wins.