Redskins Sign S Brandon Meriweather

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Then name for me all of the FA talent that is unsigned that makes the group not weak.

I don't see how Landry and Atogwe are scapgoats. They didn't perform well. This is a performance league. You don't play well, someone else will take your job. Is it the Redskins organization's fault that those two players did not play well/could not stay on the field?

After Atogwe, Landry, then Leonhard, Abdullah (MIN), Mike Adams (CLE), Chris Hope, Zbikowski, Chris Harris (of Detroit, Chicago).

Mostly league average guys. Nothing special. Although I thought we should have acted quicker on guys like Lowery and Pool, who would have been potential upgrades on Atogwe.

Scapegoat doesn't mean they performed well. It means that: we're keeping other parts who did not perform well, but we're getting rid of you because we determined you're the big problem.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

After Atogwe, Landry, then Leonhard, Abdullah (MIN), Mike Adams (CLE), Chris Hope, Zbikowski, Chris Harris (of Detroit, Chicago).

Mostly league average guys. Nothing special. Although I thought we should have acted quicker on guys like Lowery and Pool, who would have been potential upgrades on Atogwe.

Scapegoat doesn't mean they performed well. It means that: we're keeping other parts who did not perform well, but we're getting rid of you because we determined you're the big problem.

I agree that we could have moved more quickly on Lowery and/or Pool but I don't question the FO for not retaining Landry or Atogwe. Landry has missed far more games than he's played the past two seasons and has bucked team medical advice. Right or wrong, that would raise questions of loyalty and responsibility to me, not to mention long term durability.

For Atogwe, he was rarely healthy, coming off of a couple of seasons where he was less than 100% healthy as well. Also, when he played his performance was subpar.

If we were responsible for '2 of the 5 best safeties on the market' as you stated, that has a lot to say about the quality of the market and not much bad to say about us.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree that we could have moved more quickly on Lowery and/or Pool but I don't question the FO for not retaining Landry or Atogwe. Landry has missed far more games than he's played the past two seasons and has bucked team medical advice. Right or wrong, that would raise questions of loyalty and responsibility to me, not to mention long term durability.

For Atogwe, he was rarely healthy, coming off of a couple of seasons where he was less than 100% healthy as well. Also, when he played his performance was subpar.

If we were responsible for '2 of the 5 best safeties on the market' as you stated, that has a lot to say about the quality of the market and not much bad to say about us.

I can say that the decision to not slap the Franchise Tag on Landry raised a LOT of eyebrows across the league. I mean, it's one thing to determine the safeties are the main reason we had poor pass defense (I don't disagree -- particularly when Landry was out), it's another thing to fear a player in the prime of his career so much you let him walk for nothing. He's damaged goods, so he's probably not going to get guaranteed money in excess of $8 million, but still. With all the options the Redskins had to keep Landry around, it's safe to say they would have released him even if he had a year left on his contract.

The way we as fans felt when Eric Winston got cut? That's how other teams felt when Landry didn't get the tag.

Atogwe was the kind of guy who you don't cut if you don't like the market, but move on from if you have a better option.

I do think they view Meriweather more of a Landry replacement than an Atogwe replacement.

A lot of the Landry issue comes down to who you trust to recommend the best interest of his future: Landry and his doctors, or the Redskins and their doctors. I know a lot of teams with medical staffs who would be very happy to get their hands on our 'problem' at a medical discount.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of the Landry issue comes down to who you trust to recommend the best interest of his future: Landry and his doctors, or the Redskins and their doctors. I know a lot of teams with medical staffs who would be very happy to get their hands on our 'problem' at a medical discount.

Link?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Link?

You're not going to find other teams information on the internet.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're not going to find other teams information on the internet.

Oh right...so you're aware of all the interest in LL how then?

C'mon dude, let's hope Meriweather can turn things around here w/ a great DB coach. My assumption is Morris has significant input on our secondary now, so he probably thinks Meriweather can do something here. Let's give them both a shot.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Oh right...so you're aware of all the interest in LL how then?

C'mon dude, let's hope Meriweather can turn things around here w/ a great DB coach. My assumption is Morris has significant input on our secondary now, so he probably thinks Meriweather can do something here. Let's give them both a shot.

Yeah lets not forget, the second best saftey to come through Washington, since Ken Houston, was supposedly a bust. Ryan Clark has been one of the best free safteys in the league, since the year he played for us.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can say that the decision to not slap the Franchise Tag on Landry raised a LOT of eyebrows across the league. I mean, it's one thing to determine the safeties are the main reason we had poor pass defense (I don't disagree -- particularly when Landry was out), it's another thing to fear a player in the prime of his career so much you let him walk for nothing. He's damaged goods, so he's probably not going to get guaranteed money in excess of $8 million, but still. With all the options the Redskins had to keep Landry around, it's safe to say they would have released him even if he had a year left on his contract.

The way we as fans felt when Eric Winston got cut? That's how other teams felt when Landry didn't get the tag.

Atogwe was the kind of guy who you don't cut if you don't like the market, but move on from if you have a better option.

I do think they view Meriweather more of a Landry replacement than an Atogwe replacement.

A lot of the Landry issue comes down to who you trust to recommend the best interest of his future: Landry and his doctors, or the Redskins and their doctors. I know a lot of teams with medical staffs who would be very happy to get their hands on our 'problem' at a medical discount.

I like that Mike Shanahan is decisive. I neither know nor care why MS doesn't want Atogwe and Landry on his team. If Mike decides that a player should go, then I'm fine with his getting rid of that player and moving on to someone else as quickly as he can. I trust his judgement. You apparently don't.

It seems to me that you don't think that Redskins management is performing their due diligence and making well-reasoned judgments and decisions about players. I do.

I think that they have a plan that they are executing in a professional manner. We'll know soon enough if the plan works. That's really all I care about.

Next season, Mike will be judged on wins and losses and not on individual player transactions. It's his job to build a winner and it's strictly a pass/fail test based on how many wins Dan Snyder considers acceptable.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I like that Mike Shanahan is decisive. I neither know nor care why MS doesn't want Atogwe and Landry on his team. If Mike decides that a player should go, then I'm fine with his getting rid of that player and moving on to someone else as quickly as he can. I trust his judgement. You apparently don't.

Next season, Mike will be judged on wins and losses and not on individual player transactions. It's his job to build a winner and it's strictly a pass/fail test based on how many wins Dan Snyder considers acceptable.

I can't think of one reason why I would trust his judgment on defensive backs if all the evidence were to suggest he's making an error.

But yes, I also believe how you build your team in the offseason is only a little bit related to who wins the big game at the end of the year, so if he comes out like the game coach he was in 2005 and wins 10 games, no one -- least of which myself -- will care how good or bad the defense was.

If his gamble is he can outscore everyone he plays, he has more than enough clout to make the gamble. He just has to win it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can say that the decision to not slap the Franchise Tag on Landry raised a LOT of eyebrows across the league. I mean, it's one thing to determine the safeties are the main reason we had poor pass defense (I don't disagree -- particularly when Landry was out), it's another thing to fear a player in the prime of his career so much you let him walk for nothing. He's damaged goods, so he's probably not going to get guaranteed money in excess of $8 million, but still. With all the options the Redskins had to keep Landry around, it's safe to say they would have released him even if he had a year left on his contract.

The way we as fans felt when Eric Winston got cut? That's how other teams felt when Landry didn't get the tag.

Atogwe was the kind of guy who you don't cut if you don't like the market, but move on from if you have a better option.

I do think they view Meriweather more of a Landry replacement than an Atogwe replacement.

A lot of the Landry issue comes down to who you trust to recommend the best interest of his future: Landry and his doctors, or the Redskins and their doctors. I know a lot of teams with medical staffs who would be very happy to get their hands on our 'problem' at a medical discount.

It did?

It was no big secret the tag was going to be put on Davis or LL, and most were leaning toward it being Davis.

And if he is such a premium player, why is he still on the market?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It did?

It was no big secret the tag was going to be put on Davis or LL, and most were leaning toward it being Davis.

And if he is such a premium player, why is he still on the market?

He's taking visits?

He's picking from four teams, Meriweather had just two visits.

Mario Williams signed today, but that doesn't mean I'd take Frostee Rucker over him, who signed yesterday.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's taking visits?

He's picking from four teams, Meriweather had just two visits.

Mario Williams signed today, but that doesn't mean I'd take Frostee Rucker over him, who signed yesterday.

We will all see what the teams thought he was worth when we see how much he gets. The real proof is in the money.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

We will all see what the teams thought he was worth when we see how much he gets. The real proof is in the money.

Agreed. And I already don't think he's going to get the guaranteed $ he is looking for b/c of the achilies. Which is why it was so silly to shut off talks when we did.