Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Awesome! The penalty that was initiated by the Giants owner against the Redskins and Cowboys will have a hearing to review it in Philadelphia!

Nothing to worry about!

lol wtf?? This is worse than King George "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences" !!!!!!!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Memory Lane:

During the CBA negotiations and lawsuits, I remember the NFL telling the lower court judge that she didn't have authority to hear the case and how much that ruffled her feathers. At the time, I thought it was quite funny to hear her responses, but ultimately the expedited appellate court found substance in the NFL's claims. We are basically at that same point here. If Burbank says he has authority, then the NFL will appeal it (which is allowed for in the CBA) and the process will continue. Unfortunately, I doubt any resolution to this will be accomplished before the end of this league year, especially since there is no way either side can establish a basis for expedited hearings.

[SBXVII]

Ths was new news from around 9am:

Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins To Argue Salary Cap Penalties At Hearing Thursday - SB Nation Dallas

The Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins, unlikely allies in a battle against league sanctions for overspending during an uncapped, pre-lockout period before the 2011 NFL season, will argue their case at a hearing on Thursday on the campus of the University of Pennsylvania's law school.

Due to the expiration of the agreement between the league and the player's union, the 2010 season was an uncapped year. After a new agreement was settled in 2011, the league reduced the salary cap of the Redskins and Cowboys by $32 and $10 million over the next two years, respectively, as punishment for the way those clubs structured contracts in 2010.

According to sources that spoke to the Washington Post, the issue isn't retroactive punishment, but that the two clubs sought to gain an advantage by clearing room for when the new salary cap came into play:


According to several people familiar with the case, the league found that the Redskins and Cowboys technically violated no salary cap rules but sought to gain an unfair competitive advantage when the salary cap went back into effect. The two teams, according to those people familiar with the case, paid money to players during the uncapped year that otherwise would have been paid in subsequent years with the salary cap back in place. That way, the money never counted against the cap and the teams cleared salary cap space in future seasons.

The Post also reports that an immediate decision is not expected from the arbitrator.

[SBXVII]

Then there was this around 4pm:

Dallas Cowboys News: Jerry Jones Confident Headed Into Thursday's Salary Cap Hearing - SB Nation Dallas

File this under not-shocking news: Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is confident. Not about his team this time, but about his chances in Thursday's appearance before a mediator, who will decide whether or not the Cowboys and Washington Redskins can continue with an appeal in their case against the league for levying severe cap penalties against the two teams.

Jerry Jones added these comments in advance of Thursday's hearing:


"I wouldn't dare try to predict what the resolution will be," Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said. "But I'm glad we've got an opportunity to present it, under the labor agreement, to a mediator, and that's what tomorrow's all about, whether or not we do have the opportunity to be before him. It won't resolve the issue, but it will help decide whether or not we can go before a mediator."

"I know we followed the rules," Jones said. "The league has not said that we did not follow the rules, and those were approved contracts. This is complicated issue."

Dan Snyder and the Redskins certainly have more at stake than Dallas, as Washington was hit with $36 million in cap adjustment, compared to Dallas' $10 million.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

You started your post talking about the rule of law and then completely ignored every written rule that applies to the current situation. You ignored the NFL bylaws, you ignored the CBA, and you ignored what authority the arbitrator in this case actually has.

I agree that the Skins got screwed, I agree it was handled terribly, and I agree the process was screwed up.

However, what you want to happen would need to happen in a court after the Skins sue the League. My guess is that the Skins don't want to sue.

The league doesn't want it in a court either. For that reason if the arbitrator doesn't dismiss it outright I hope the 2 sides work out a simple solution aside from mediation.

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The league doesn't want it in a court either. For that reason if the arbitrator doesn't dismiss it outright I hope the 2 sides work out a simple solution aside from mediation.

Yeah, I still think that's the point of taking it to arbitration. I think the League would rather settle than argue the finer points of which League and team actions may or may not be collusion with the NFLPA having access to the proceedings.

IMO, they'd have a much better case in court than CBA arbitration, but the CBA arbitration path allows the Skins to try to get some relief without going to the nuclear option of a lawsuit.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I hope we sue. Who cares at this point what happens? The other owners were already pissed enough to vote to take away cap space, granted to benefit themselves. At least let's drop the bomb and see what happens.

[Chico23231]

Arbitration Day is here, new thread?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Arbitration Day is here, new thread?

Let's hope it's not as dull as this one.

[CRedskinsRule]

A little write up, but the end line is probably the most insightful:

Cap case starts today but decision will take time

The wheels of justice turn slowly. There will not be a resolution to this anytime soon. My advice would be to enjoy the spring weather, ponder the future of Chris Cooley and debate whether or not Josh LeRibeus will have an impact this year. A ruling will come sometime during the summer, probably in late June or July. Any decision that comes quickly, in fact, is likely to be bad news for the Redskins as it likely would be Burbank throwing the case out.

We are in the proverbial No News is Good News time of this thing.

[imaskin4life]

Arguments heard today, waiting for Burbank's decision.

Burbank takes motion to dismiss Cowboys-Redskins grievance under advisement | ProFootballTalk

Salary cap hearing for Redskins and Cowboys ends - The Insider - The Washington Post

[NYCskinfan82]

IMO Someone from the NFL's office probably already deliverd a suitcase full of money to Burbank already case dismissed.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

IMO Someone from the NFL's office probably already deliverd a suitcase full of money to Burbank already case dismissed.

How high are you?

That is some paranoid stuff there.

I want to say screw the league and sue but really i hope arbitration can resolve this matter with at least our spending not limited next year.

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by SkinItup

How high are you?

That is some paranoid stuff there.

I want to say screw the league and sue but really i hope arbitration can resolve this matter with at least our spending not limited next year.

It's not good when someone with the handle Skinitup asks you how high you are.

Either that, or everything looks like a nail when you have a hammer in your hand.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

It's not good when someone with the handle Skinitup asks you how high you are.

Either that, or everything looks like a nail when you have a hammer in your hand.

Well played.