Griffin shows his smarts

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Well Cam Newton had a better rookie year then Elway's rookie year. Cam threw for 4,0510 yards and scored an amazing 35 TD's in his rookie year and rushed 706 yards averaging 5.6 yards a carry. Those are insane rookie numbers, better then Elway's. I guess that would make Cam Newton a better pro prospect then Elway.?.? Kidding.

We're talking pre-draft evaluations. How scouts view them coming into the draft. Once they take the field they're no longer draft prospects.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Maybe Cam wasn't the best comparison...

Yeah, maybe Cam wasn't the best comparison.
I was responding to your comparison between Luck and Cam.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with me, I'm not making the points you address.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Yet another way to look at it...
Luck is basically Cam Newton except he's smaller, slower, lacks the arm strength, doesn't have as clean of a throwing motion/release, oh and didn't win the big game to keep his team undefeated and didn't lead his team to a national championship.

Luck is a very good athlete in his own right, but Cam is a specimen like I've never seen.
The kid threw a jump pass for 40+ yards in the air on the money, he's thrown off his back foot for 50 yard bombs.
Cam's arm talent is on a whole other level then Luck.

Their measurables are pretty close, I'd give the edge to Cam for his arm strength, and the edge to Luck for his decision making and overall grasp of a pro-style offense.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Their measurables are pretty close, I'd give the edge to Cam for his arm strength, and the edge to Luck for his decision making and overall grasp of a pro-style offense.

Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*

Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.

[MTK]

I think the Colts made up their mind long ago, and rightfully so. If anyone screams Peyton Manning part 2 it's Luck.

The consolation prize isn't too shabby though.

Either way we're in a win/win situation.

[NYCskinfan82]

Saw that video before how can you not like this young man.

[skinsfan69]

One thing that I really hope this coaching stafff does is put in some spread stuff for Griffin. And I hope they have him in Shotgun most of the time. That's what he's good at so adjust the offense to him. I'm very skeptical about that actually happening. We shall see....

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

One thing that I really hope this coaching stafff does is put in some spread stuff for Griffin. And I hope they have him in Shotgun most of the time. That's what he's good at so adjust the offense to him. I'm very skeptical about that actually happening. We shall see....

I actually think he'd be better off under center in an offense thats generally 55% run 45% pass. Using him off the bootleg is not only going to take advantage of his mobility but as I've been stressing for a while now, open up cut-back lanes for the backs as backside contain is going to be delayed figuring out if we're handing off or running a bootleg.

Either way it's hard to get a running game going in the NFL off the shotgun. I mean I'm not opposed to using it but I'm picturing an offense with a lot of movement and I think our under center formations do a better job of that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I actually think he'd be better off under center in an offense thats generally 55% run 45% pass. Using him off the bootleg is not only going to take advantage of his mobility but as I've been stressing for a while now, open up cut-back lanes for the backs as backside contain is going to be delayed figuring out if we're handing off or running a bootleg.

Either way it's hard to get a running game going in the NFL off the shotgun. I mean I'm not opposed to using it but I'm picturing an offense with a lot of movement and I think our under center formations do a better job of that.

I agree with the bootlegs. But if I recall Denver and Carolina ran the ball a lot out of shotgun with the play action stuff. I'd like to see that in there as well.

[skinsfaninok]

Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb

[BabyLuku]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb

Haha I'm exactly the same. I just can't wait for him to officially be on our roster!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb

I'm 95% sold on Newton. Theres just that little 5% of me that wonders about a potential sophmore slump.

[skinsfaninok]

Robert Griffin III vs Oklahoma 2011 - YouTube

Luckily I was at this game, unfortunately my Sooners felt the wrath to RGIII

[BabyLuku]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Luckily I was at this game, unfortunately my Sooners felt the wrath to RGIII

Man that was some terrible coverage on that first play haha.
Hoping rg3 can make NFL defences look that foolish.